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Starting school at 10am

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Flutter12 · 13/09/2020 11:40

I know how important sleep is on your health and so I was looking into ways of how I can improve my own DDs sleep and found that it is scientifically proven that teens not only need more sleep than younger children or adults but that their biological clock is set so that they need to fall asleep and wake up later.

The effects of this lack of sleep have massive impacts on grades, mental health, suicide rates etc.
The moodiness/laziness that we associate with teens is actually due to this lack of sleep. Obesity is increased in teens who lack sleep which then carries on into adulthood as the need for sleep is replaced with food especially sugary ones and more recently energy drinks. Reckless or addictive behaviour like drugs and alcohol dependency increases which also impacts on adulthood.

There are long lists of all the negative impacts that occur due to the lack of sleep and one researcher likened it to not letting a small toddler nap and how they would be moody and would not be able to carry out normal tasks.

There was a petition last year for schools to start at 10am but I never heard of this and haven't heard anything since.

If starting school one/two hours later has such massive benefits to not only our children but also us as adults then surely this needs to be a priority instead of spending millions on obesity, mental health, drug and alcohol rehabilitation centres etc surely it would be better to try and prevent these issues rather than treat them once it's too late.

Does anyone have any experience or views on this?

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Flutter12 · 13/09/2020 12:24

I agree it would be nice if school finished earlier and not later but I know a school who finishes at 2:30 as they have a shorter lunch and no second break so this maybe could be a way around it although if parents are working they might not like this.

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Hersetta427 · 13/09/2020 12:22

Parents don't start work at 10am though - terrible idea.

Flutter12 · 13/09/2020 12:21

Why can't they just go to bed an hour earlier?

That's the issue - the sleep clock inside them releases certain hormones to make them feel tired but only after a certain time (I think it's 11/12pm) so even if they went to bed earlier they wouldn't be able to sleep properly until much later on. Which is why they wake up cranky and moody.

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Frlrlrubert · 13/09/2020 12:15

My local school has a later start for 6th form. So teachers teaching them will occasionally have a 6th lesson until 4:20, but not every teacher every day. So meetings and after school clubs can still be arranged around it. It's a fairly small 6th form though.

FatGirlShrinking · 13/09/2020 12:10

Why can't they just go to bed an hour earlier?

Why does it have to be an hour later in the morning?

bookmum08 · 13/09/2020 12:08

I am the opposite. I would of much preferred to start school earlier and finish earlier. I was obsessed with American teen novels as a kid. I was very jealous of their 7.30/8 starts and finish times of about 2. You could actually have a decent after-school life (hobbies, part time job etc).

Flutter12 · 13/09/2020 12:08

I didn't know there were schools in the UK already doing it I will have to look into it. I read a study from the US and there seems to be no negatives at all - in school behaviour and grades rise so teachers and pupils are less stressed and better equipped for adulthood.

I'm not sure how it works with working parents and year 7s though if they're not responsible enough to get themselves to school on time etc.

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Flutter12 · 13/09/2020 12:04

I too am an early bird and I am more productive in the mornings than evenings. But if most schools start at 10 instead of 9 or 9:30 instead of 8:30 then it would only be an hour difference and so the day wouldn't be completely messed up but grades would significantly improve in children and mental health, suicide rates, obesity would decrease in children and adults.

Adult teachers would surely be free to go into school in the mornings to do their work if they prefer the mornings (like they can now) and would then have more free time after school.

The afterschool activities would be later but only by one hour and yes it will be darker but then so are the early mornings too.

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CraftyGin · 13/09/2020 12:00

There’s a school near me - Hampton Court School - that has a late start for the older students. I’m not sure how they do the practicalities, but I’m fairly sure they has been a lot written about them if you want to search for it.

Fyzz · 13/09/2020 11:59

I believe it's been trialled in some schools in the US (and there was a school in the UK) with very positive results.
Its absolutely true that adolescents have a different body clock to adults and younger children. I remember it myself and have seen it in my own, now adult, DC.
It would only benefit older children but my DC would certainly have functioned better between the ages of 14 and 18 with a later day.
Might help in staggering start / finish times in schools which is one of the covid precautions.

titchy · 13/09/2020 11:49

Because teachers don't need extra sleep to start on time. Teachers families don't want them not none till 7.30. Because teachers don't want to miss out on spending time in the evening with their family. Nexuses teachers have kids who don't want to stay in childcare till 7. Because parents don't want their kids' evening activities finishing at 10 or 11. Plus extended rush hour, kids being in a different meal routine that their parents and younger siblings and a million other reasons.

ShakerCan · 13/09/2020 11:45

Christ no that’d be awful!
DD and I are both early birds and want to have plenty of time after school to enjoy our free time. If school started at 10 it wouldn’t shut until 5 and then DD’s hobbies couldn’t happen. In winter it’d be dark and miserable.

No thanks. Getting up early to get to work and school is something people need to do to earn a living so doing it through high school as we have for generations won’t hurt.