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Masks all day in school

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ihearttc · 31/08/2020 12:25

Furious just about sums up how I feel at the moment. Just had an email from DS1’s school (he is going into Y11) saying they will be required to wear masks all day long in school from the minute they get inside the school gates to when they leave. They are allowed to take them off to eat lunch but will need to be put back on immediately. Before I fire off an email to the school, just wondered how I stand legally with refusing to give permission for him to wear one all day long? It’s completely against the DofE guidance which states corridors and transitions only.
We live rurally and are in a very very low Covid area for what’s its worth, no where near areas on local lockdown.

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noblegiraffe · 31/08/2020 14:14

So maybe my annoyance/frustration is more aimed at that rather than mask wearing I don’t know.

It’s probably made your response to the mask thing disproportionate to how it would have been otherwise.

Flowers for taking feedback well. Things have been a bit fraught lately.

windyautumn · 31/08/2020 14:14

I'm really torn on this. I think realistically, like hospitals, schools should have everyone in a mask all the time by the nature of the environment and risk.

However, it's not fun wearing one all day (I work in hospital). Yes you do get used to it on a certain level but it is hot, sweaty, causes spots (a lot!), when you talk a lot the mask can get sucked towards your face, you instinctively talk louder which strains your voice, you don't drink enough, people with a communication impairment are really disadvantaged (1 colleague has a hearing impairment and keeps getting things wrong clinically), it's just irritating really.

I feel for teenagers dealing with this while learning. It's tough going and shouldn't be underestimated. Not sure what the answer is though.

JulieHere · 31/08/2020 14:13

IMO I think masks are just to keep some people happy. Really though if you are sat next to someone with Covid then a mask isn't going to stop transmission but people feel safe with them on and behave differently.
However, since cannot SD in schools due to numbers then the mask is a sticky plaster.

Bollss · 31/08/2020 14:13

@FrippEnos

TrustTheGeneGenie

But if that is a serious concern of the parents it needs addressing and not laughing at. Whether you think it's hysterical or not, people are genuinely worried

Teachers are genuinely worried as well, yet the response on here is to get over it and carry on as normal (paraphrased).

I suspect that the attitude of those saying get on with it is feeding the response from teachers.

Right so not ok to tell teachers to get on with it but totally ok to have a go at concerned parents. Right.
Bollss · 31/08/2020 14:12

@noblegiraffe

You shouldn't be a teacher if you don't agree with that imo.

Obviously parents should be treated with respect in a professional scenario but MN isn’t a professional scenario.

No, it's not but let's not pretend youre a completely different person in real life.
itsgettingweird · 31/08/2020 14:11

I read something the other day about families in Bradford being scared to do similar re letters because a lady claiming to be a doctor posted a SM post in Urdu telling parents schools would take their kids away from them, test them and quarantine them or they were doing it to trap families to deport them.

I feel sorry for the parents that's there's complete idiotic dickheads out there who would exploit people.

It should be illegal and carry heavy fines.

Macaroni46 · 31/08/2020 14:10

@ihearttc it's because of parents like you that I left the profession. Firing off angry emails that are totally unreasonable. The HT is just trying to keep his/her staff and pupils safe.

Bollss · 31/08/2020 14:10

@ineedaholidaynow

But there isn’t even a vaccination they can give them. Who is telling these parents that this could happen?

Teachers have been concerned that some images the media are currently using of SD classrooms could give the wrong impression to parents, and other posters have said don’t be ridiculous parents aren’t that stupid. Don’t remember seeing any images of a teacher vaccinating a child though.

And by the way I have complained to the BBC about any images they have used that are not showing the correct position that schools will be in this term. So if they did show one of teacher brandishing a needle I would be complaining straight away.

It doesn't matter why they think it, they think it and their concerns should be addressed they shouldn't be laughed at!
noblegiraffe · 31/08/2020 14:10

You shouldn't be a teacher if you don't agree with that imo.

Obviously parents should be treated with respect in a professional scenario but MN isn’t a professional scenario.

FrippEnos · 31/08/2020 14:09

TrustTheGeneGenie

But if that is a serious concern of the parents it needs addressing and not laughing at. Whether you think it's hysterical or not, people are genuinely worried

Teachers are genuinely worried as well, yet the response on here is to get over it and carry on as normal (paraphrased).

I suspect that the attitude of those saying get on with it is feeding the response from teachers.

blue25 · 31/08/2020 14:08

Headteachers can’t win can they? I’m sure you’ll be one of hundreds of parental emails the Head will get, no matter what he/she does.

ineedaholidaynow · 31/08/2020 14:08

But there isn’t even a vaccination they can give them. Who is telling these parents that this could happen?

Teachers have been concerned that some images the media are currently using of SD classrooms could give the wrong impression to parents, and other posters have said don’t be ridiculous parents aren’t that stupid. Don’t remember seeing any images of a teacher vaccinating a child though.

And by the way I have complained to the BBC about any images they have used that are not showing the correct position that schools will be in this term. So if they did show one of teacher brandishing a needle I would be complaining straight away.

Thunderpunt · 31/08/2020 14:08

@noblegiraffe

I’m fully aware that they will say tough luck he will have to wear one

At the end of they day, they can’t.

But as it’s the rules, he should.

I really wish that parents wouldn’t use their unhappiness at lockdown provision (which has been massively varied due to the lack of guidelines or standards) as a reason to be unsupportive in the return to school. We really need to work together and find a way forward through this mess because there are no clear answers and the head will be juggling the needs of vulnerable staff and pupils with the wants of other stakeholders.

I find your last line on this hilarious..... you seem to post daily about how unsafe schools are, how it's the parents blocking the return to school not unions, and how shit the government guidelines are and impossible to work to. Doesn't sound like you ever want to work together on anything normally so a bit hypocritical Hmm
Prettybluepigeons · 31/08/2020 14:08

Are you all saying that you could concentrate fully, contribute to discussions, learn new, complicated concepts all while having a mask covering your nose and mouth? All day?
I can just about do a supermarket shop before my nose is itching and sweat is pouring down my face.

OP- yanbu. I wouldn't be happy about this at all either.

ihearttc · 31/08/2020 14:07

@RoseTintedAtuin
I’m not upset they haven’t managed to stay open, clearly that wasn’t going to happen. I’m rather annoyed that they haven’t really provided any teaching at all for students in the middle of their GCSE’s whilst other schools, mine included have managed to do it for other year groups.
So maybe my annoyance/frustration is more aimed at that rather than mask wearing I don’t know.

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noblegiraffe · 31/08/2020 14:07

I have at no point emailed the HT or anyone asking them not to vaccinate my child!!

I know! Sorry, that’s got this thread in a bit of a muddle now. It was more of a ‘heads are having a bucket of shit poured on their heads right now, so backing off and adopting a wait and see approach would be very much appreciated’.

Obviously your email wasn’t hysterical and I get where you’re coming from.

Bollss · 31/08/2020 14:05

@noblegiraffe

yet you think it's totally fine to slag off concerned parents

Not ‘concerned parents’ but batshit antivaxxers who liken a temperature check to pointing a gun at their child’s head. They don’t deserve any respect.

I’m sure that heads will take a deep breath and respond more diplomatically though.

No, they're concerned parents.

Just because you don't share the same views doesn't make them batshit antivaxxers at all.

All parents and children deserve respect from teachers, and vice versa.

You shouldn't be a teacher if you don't agree with that imo.

noblegiraffe · 31/08/2020 14:04

yet you think it's totally fine to slag off concerned parents

Not ‘concerned parents’ but batshit antivaxxers who liken a temperature check to pointing a gun at their child’s head. They don’t deserve any respect.

I’m sure that heads will take a deep breath and respond more diplomatically though.

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Bollss · 31/08/2020 14:02

@itsgettingweird

Trust it's hysterical to believe a school will vaccinate your kid without consent.

It's hysterical to think taking a temperate mimics holding a gun to their head.

Plus children have been having their temperature checked when necessary in schools for years.
I've not heard of I case where a child has suffered long term trauma from a simple temperature check.

And what do parents do when a child is ill?

If it's a genuine concern it's not hysterical. Just because you know it won't happen doesn't mean everyone does. Not everyone is as intelligent or as educated as you. It doesn't mean you can dismiss it.

It's obviously very different you doing something with your own child that it is for anyone who is not a parent or close family member doing it.

Bollss · 31/08/2020 14:00

@ineedaholidaynow

Teachers will listen to genuine concerns and seek to reassure parents and pupils, but seriously a parent emailing the school to tell them not to vaccinate their child
But if that is a serious concern of the parents it needs addressing and not laughing at. Whether you think it's hysterical or not, people are genuinely worried.

It's horrible that teachers are making snidey comments and laughing at parents.

RoseTintedAtuin · 31/08/2020 14:00

I understand you think it isn’t helpful and will make things more complicated and are upset that the school hasn’t managed to stay open during a time of worldwide confusion due to a new virus which they don’t understand. You also appear to be upset that the provisions in your primary school have not been replicated in a secondary school (although the evidence suggests the risks are different, the teaching content is different and the environment is different). But you are not responsible for the health and safety of pupils and staff in your child’s school. The head is. And it sounds like he is doing the best he/she can to ensure everyone is and feels safe throughout the day and that he/she can ensure consistency of rules and expectations when in a couple of weeks the government changes the guidance again and demands everyone wear a face mask all day.
I do think YABU and putting extra stress on a system that is trying to protect you and your son to the best of their ability with no informations and ever hanging guidance and weak leadership.

itsgettingweird · 31/08/2020 13:59

Trust it's hysterical to believe a school will vaccinate your kid without consent.

It's hysterical to think taking a temperate mimics holding a gun to their head.

Plus children have been having their temperature checked when necessary in schools for years.
I've not heard of I case where a child has suffered long term trauma from a simple temperature check.

And what do parents do when a child is ill?

ineedaholidaynow · 31/08/2020 13:58

Teachers will listen to genuine concerns and seek to reassure parents and pupils, but seriously a parent emailing the school to tell them not to vaccinate their child

ihearttc · 31/08/2020 13:57

Just to clarify, in case there was any doubt!! I have at no point emailed the HT or anyone asking them not to vaccinate my child!!
I’ve simply emailed the HOY to ask about the compulsory wearing of a mask as I don’t think it’s necessary. I’m not the hysterical type and I actually find that quite offensive. I honestly don’t think it’s hysterical to question something which is going to impact my child for 6 hours a day when the risk of him catching Covid is less than 1%.
And @noblegiraffe it’s actually been very interesting hearing from a teachers perspective so thank you. I posted initially as soon as I got the email so was rather annoyed. I still stand by the opinion that it’s not necessary but will wait to see what they come back with (and order another load of masks!)

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