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Masks all day in school

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ihearttc · 31/08/2020 12:25

Furious just about sums up how I feel at the moment. Just had an email from DS1’s school (he is going into Y11) saying they will be required to wear masks all day long in school from the minute they get inside the school gates to when they leave. They are allowed to take them off to eat lunch but will need to be put back on immediately. Before I fire off an email to the school, just wondered how I stand legally with refusing to give permission for him to wear one all day long? It’s completely against the DofE guidance which states corridors and transitions only.
We live rurally and are in a very very low Covid area for what’s its worth, no where near areas on local lockdown.

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Kidneybingo · 31/08/2020 15:54

Quite probably yes. And that headteacher has knowledge of his particular staff and students and feels the protection is warranted.

ihearttc · 31/08/2020 15:51

@Kidneybingo

But surely the same could be said for every other school in the U.K.?

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Kidneybingo · 31/08/2020 15:50

I would be assuming that there are a number of very vulnerable staff and pupils in that school.

ihearttc · 31/08/2020 15:42

@sniggy01

I’ve sent the email because I want them to know that I, as a parent am unhappy with what they are proposing. He is more than capable of speaking up for himself but then it will look like it’s him just being difficult rather than anything else. He is happy to wear one because despite being 15, he is a polite, well behaved boy who is desperate to go back to school. That doesn’t mean he actively wants to wear one and as his parent (he is after all still a child despite being 6ft 2!) I am also allowed to have an opinion when it’s something which will potentially have an impact on him for most of the day. I haven’t been rude in the email and I’ve made it clear it’s my opinion and not his but I do think it’s important that parents also have a voice.

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itsgettingweird · 31/08/2020 15:37

[quote WaltzfortheMars]@WhySoMuchMess funny that Noble has always been trusted and respected teacher on MN who is always willing to help us parents.[/quote]
Completely agree.

EDSGFC · 31/08/2020 15:36

noblegiraffe

Completely agree. The nonsense is in not mandating masks in classrooms. There is no logical reason why they don't need to be worn other than the government would be admitting that classrooms aren't safe

itsgettingweird · 31/08/2020 15:35

@TrustTheGeneGenie

Maybe its because they chose the wrong time and place to have the discussion

No let's not make excuses. Secondary schools are not places for discussions. Especially in academy's. It's shut up, put up, keep our attendance and grades up or fuck off.

As much as it pains me my experience of academies is the same.

My ds was a MS secondary.

He moved from the academy. They were the same with parents and from what I observed their staff too! But that maybe anecdotal as based on the 2 academies in my town.

I suspect there's many good ones out there!

noblegiraffe · 31/08/2020 15:35

Thanks Waltz! :)

itsgettingweird · 31/08/2020 15:33

[quote ihearttc]@sniggy01

That sounds completely reasonable and what I expected, absolutely no problem with that at all. I have an issue with them being told to put them on the second they get in the school grounds and only remove them when they leave so they need to wear them in every single lesson including break and lunchtime which is not what your school are doing.

My son actually doesn’t care and isn’t bothered about wearing one, this is coming from me not him because i don’t believe it is necessary to wear one for 6 hours straight.[/quote]
Why don't you trust him to make his own judgement?

If he doesn't care why are you teaching him to refuse a request he finds reasonable?

Surely what you say as a decent parent is "I'm pleased you are happy with this son. If you find it's an issue etc then make an appointment with form tutor to discuss with a reasonable alternative suggestion"

I always imagine when I hear about youngsters who start in work environment and are given instructions like "you must ask permission to leave shop floor to use facilities" and respond or strop with "they can't dictate if I use the toilet or not"

It's because they learn to be combative with rules and therefore often see a rule as more inhibitive than it is.

I've never sent an email to ds school without discussing with him first whether he wants me to, whether he needs me too and can deal with it himself or if he agrees I should.

noblegiraffe · 31/08/2020 15:32

[quote ihearttc]@noblegiraffe

There is that point, but then why have the government only suggested it in transition areas? Surely they must have got the evidence from somewhere (or maybe not!!)[/quote]
I genuinely think the government have dug themselves into a hole on this. The minute there’s any suggestion that classrooms aren’t safe entirely as they are (and this would be signalled by masks) then the whole facade crumbles. They were going to announce masks in communal areas for all schools last Tuesday and the switch to lockdown areas only was done at the last minute (from Tory MP pressure, not science advice I heard).

Matt Hancock nearly let it slip last week when he said it all falls apart if teachers don’t stay 2m from the kids (which 90% of teachers have said is impossible).

It’s a political decision. There is no genuine scientific explanation that I’ve seen that makes a classroom not a ‘communal area’ and therefore outside of the need for extra mitigation measures.

I assume the head can see this too.

MarshaBradyo · 31/08/2020 15:32

There sure are. I googled it and got this

gov.uk face coverings in education

TheSeedsOfADream · 31/08/2020 15:31

How do they know?
Is that since, what? Last week?
Being off school with Covid probably has more of an effect on your education to be fair.

ihearttc · 31/08/2020 15:31

@MarshaBradyo

Which government document is that in? Appreciate there are many!!

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MarshaBradyo · 31/08/2020 15:28

‘Face coverings can have a negative impact on learning and teaching and so their use in the classroom should be avoided.’

From government document. It’s pretty up front. I can’t imagine the schools we use going against that.

The HT was very swift with his own decision on corridors etc though which was great.

Shitfuckoh · 31/08/2020 15:25

[quote WaltzfortheMars]@WhySoMuchMess funny that Noble has always been trusted and respected teacher on MN who is always willing to help us parents.[/quote]
This says it better than I ever could.

WaltzfortheMars · 31/08/2020 15:23

@WhySoMuchMess funny that Noble has always been trusted and respected teacher on MN who is always willing to help us parents.

ihearttc · 31/08/2020 15:23

@noblegiraffe

There is that point, but then why have the government only suggested it in transition areas? Surely they must have got the evidence from somewhere (or maybe not!!)

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MarshaBradyo · 31/08/2020 15:17

Tbh it would bug me that the guidance was being ignored, and I’d question how it can be.

noblegiraffe · 31/08/2020 15:17

it makes sense there with high traffic volumes but I’m struggling to see how or why they need to wear them in lesson times.

I see it the opposite way around - it makes no sense to mandate them in corridors where pupils will only be close to each other for tiny amounts of time and then say they’re not necessary in a poorly ventilated classroom where the kids will be sat for extended periods.

ihearttc · 31/08/2020 15:15

@MarshaBradyo

That’s my point (if I’m interpreting what you are saying correctly!) that I’d have no issue with mask wearing in corridors etc as it makes sense there with high traffic volumes but I’m struggling to see how or why they need to wear them in lesson times.

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lakesidesummer · 31/08/2020 15:13

@Mistressiggi my dc were given a mask bag which they place their mask in during lunch.

I'm sure that they aren't managing mask wearing as effectively as hospital staff would be in terms of cross contamination etc but it isn't too stressful for them.

They put one on before arriving at school, are temp checked at the door, sanitize their hands and go to a bubble classroom.

They have a bag on their desk to put their mask in over lunch. The dc have spare masks in case they need them.

MarshaBradyo · 31/08/2020 15:10

Discretion in corridors etc not in classrooms, which is not advised.

Bollss · 31/08/2020 15:10

[quote Shitfuckoh]@TrustTheGeneGenie
I've seen worse comments on here from parents about teachers they've never met.
@noblegiraffe has not said it's any of her pupils parents, she's pointed out that there is some batshit parents around & as a parent, I do agree with her. If she was saying Little Jimmys mother Rowena is a total bitch, she's only sent this in to school today! I could understand a little as to why you have taken such a dislike.[/quote]
What like noble is doing about parents she's never met? Ah ok...Hmm

ihearttc · 31/08/2020 15:09

@maddy68

This is coming from me not my child. He will follow whatever rules he is given at school. I’m simply questioning why they are implementing something which is not in the guidance.

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Backtobasics5 · 31/08/2020 15:09

I would not send an email OP. Are you friendly with any of the other parents from school? The whole point of wearing a mask is to protect others (allegedly). To be honest weather they work or not it’s desperate times and we seem to have forgotten how bad things were in March.
Wearing a mask all day is no fun but you do adjust and get used to them.

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