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Should DS take A Level maths?

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RedskyAtnight · 19/06/2020 15:07

DS's dilemma (he's in Year 11, running out of time to make decision).

He definitely wants to study Geography A Level next year.

He is quite keen on the idea of studying Physics A Level, but he would have to also take A Level maths, which he doesn't want to do.

He has ruled out studying basically every other subject.
The only other thing he's vaguely interested in is the Cambridge Tech IT Diploma (equivalent to 2 A Levels) because he's liked studying Computer Science (not offered at A Level at his current school and he doesn't want to move) at GCSE. I'm not sure this is right for him, because actually he's mostly enjoyed the programming aspect, which isn't included in this qualification, and I'm not sure where he goes at 18 after a Geography A Level and a Cambridge Tech IT Diploma.

He might be interested in studying Computer Science at university but again they would want A Level maths. He wasn't desperately keen on the idea of going into an IT related apprenticeship (which is the only thing I can think of that would naturally follow on from the Cambridge Tech). It does look like at least some universities would take him onto a Geography degree with Geog A Level plus the IT diploma, so that's a possible future option (although I don't know if in practice this would be less preferred than a candidate with 3 A Levels).

His ultimate plan (at the moment) is to join the army. He originally had this as a plan for after sixth form, but after talking to some people we know who are ex-army, he's now thinking he would do better to get some further qualifications first (hence he's started thinking about university).

His teacher assessed GCSE grades are likely to not be that good (erratic worker, plus undiagnosed learning difficulty, was massively improving through Year 11 but we suspect it won't have been enough) but we are not expecting him to have any issues with getting into his school sixth form to study any of these choices (another reason he wants to stay there as there's a good chance he won't make entry criteria for other places). His teachers for all these subjects are happy for him to study them Post 16 (and in respect of maths, his teacher suggested he should also consider further maths, so no concerns about ability).

The problem is that DS just doesn't like maths. He also struggled with some of the later topics they studied, and with the premature end of school has not been able to revise these in the way he normally would. Consequently he has little confidence in his maths ability (not withstanding teacher saying he thinks DS is more than capable of A Level). However, I have a maths degree, and we are in the fortunate position to be able to pay for tutoring if need be, so he can have as much outside help as he needs. I also think maths+physics will be lower workload than 2 unrelated A Levels, so he can spend more time on it if he needs to.

Sorry, that was a long post. I guess my gut feeling is I think he should take maths, physics and geography A Levels, but I also think he shouldn't study a subject he's not keen on. Trouble is there doesn't seem to be an ideal alternative ...

Don't know what others think? Has anyone else been in the position where their DC took an A Level they weren't keen on to enable other choices?

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confusedbymyheritage · 19/06/2020 21:28

I'd be careful with biology. Although there are lots of links (oceans, global warming ect) there's also a lot more that isn't related and is really quite boring if it's not what you're passionate about (endless topics on leaves, digestion, cells ect). It also becomes a lot more writing heavily at A level (and even more so at university) so if that is something your son struggles with I would steer clear. If his school does something more specialised (e.g. marine biology) that may be better but I'd be wary of general biology if he doesn't already have a passion for it.

lanthanum · 19/06/2020 21:09

I seem to remember a statistic that people with maths A-level tend to earn 10% more than people with otherwise equivalent qualifications. Might that encourge him?

Maths would definitely support physics, and would also come in useful for some areas of geography if that's what he pursues post A-level (I even came across someone who was doing a maths degree with a view to using that to get into geography at postgrad level).

JellyBellies · 19/06/2020 20:36

If he struggles with writing then surely maths is the best one for him?

I did an entire degree in Maths because I don't like writing. Then I worked as a computer programmer.

EwwSprouts · 19/06/2020 19:21

Does he not feel that there are good links between geography & biology? eg oceans, global warming, coastal communities, marine life?

confusedbymyheritage · 19/06/2020 16:54

Having done A level physics in the not to recent past it is incredibly hard and would be made all the more harder without doing maths. I really would encourage anyone away from physics if they weren't also going to do maths.

Maths is hard like any A level but is a doable level of hard and unlike essay subjects doesn't require to love and dedication to read around and do extra research, just to practice until he gets it.

If he is really capable I would encourage maths as it opens so many doors and would really facilitate both physics and geography as well as leaving more options open for university. Most people I know had one A level that they liked less than the rest but needed it to facilitate those other A levels and/or for future plans.

I am not saying force or push him into maths but I'd definitely sit him down and set out all the facts around it being facilitating, opens far more doors for degree options ect, if he is just indifferent to it and it's not replacing anything else that he has a burning desire to study this may convince him to do it as an investment in his future.

RedskyAtnight · 19/06/2020 15:38

He definitely wants to do Geography A Level (that's the one certainty) so Extended diploma wouldn't work unfortunately, though I have tried to encourage him to look at college courses to bring other options into play.

His learning difficulty is around struggling with writing, which has put him off sociology (and other writing heavy things - he's prepared to cope for the sake of geography).

The only sixth form locally that offered geography, computer science, physics and core maths had much higher entry criteria than he is likely to get (see previous point re learning difficulty - only picked up after he did spectacularly badly in his mocks - which will not help him get good teacher assessment scores - we were working on strategies for managing the exams when they were cancelled) - I agree this would otherwise be ideal.

He was expecting a 7+ had he sat the maths GCSE.

As you'll probably gather, I've been round and round with him going through everything he could possibly take. It seems like every idea has drawbacks! I have suggested he might just have to decide which is the least bad option.

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TeenPlusTwenties · 19/06/2020 15:23

One of the advantages of the Hampshire system where I live is schools don't (with very few exceptions) have 6th forms so everyone has to move at the end of y11.

It seems to me your DS might be better off moving and going to college to do an Extended Diploma in Computing (Extended Diploma would be 3 A levels equivalent). Is that really definitely not an option?

Maths would be very useful for Geography too, and if they think he is good enough for FM, are they saying he is a shoe in for an 8?

Or again, move 6th forms and do Geography, Computing, Physics and Maths AS?

Would psychology be any good? Or Sociology?

If the Army doesn't work out (eg he gets injured so can't enter) then it would be good to have a decent crop of A levels and a sensible degree if he is academically capable.

RedskyAtnight · 19/06/2020 15:20

Thanks sd249 - that's kind of my feeling as well but I don't know what the alternative is.

His school do do Core maths, but insist you have to study the full A Level to study A Level physics. Shame, as that would be ideal (other than the lack of a third A Level he was interested in ...)

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sd249 · 19/06/2020 15:16

I'm a maths teacher. If he doesn't like maths he should NOT take it. It is difficult- very difficult and an awful lot of work, the amount of physics in maths is small (1/6th of the course) and the rest is nothing to do with physics so it really wouldn't be less work, especially if he doesn't like it.

However - maybe ask if the school do Core Maths - it's an AS equivalent, much easier and less "mathsy" so he may be able to do physics based on that?