What, if any, 'face to face support' will your school be offering for years 10 and 12?

Quite agree about the pedagogy also- leaving children enough time to get to grips with meaty independent tasks and maintaining pace have been our main concerns.

Very little at the moment unless guidance changes. UCAS support for Y12 and individual or small group feedback/academic review sessions for both year groups. Seems little point when remote learning in its various forms is working fine and a fair few children are feeling really anxious about the idea of coming into school at this point. Plus sorting out the insane Junior School logistics has to be the priority at the moment. Plus bubbles and option subjects as I'm sure you are aware isn't really a possibility!

No, you didn't . Lots of posters on MN have. I have no weird hang ups. DH is a private school teacher. His live lessons are no better than my carefully crafted resources which my students can look at, and do the work on, at any time. As an English teacher, I would rather students read things for themselves, at their own pace, than passively listened to my voice. it's the pedagogy that hasn't been interrogated. Students can also watch videos I post at any point which suits their familys resources.

My point is it's not really the point of this thread : I have no beef with people doing live lessons. I just don't think they are inherently better.

What is your school planning for face to face for years 10 and 12?

@Piggywaspushed you seem to have some weird hang ups about independent schools. I never said what we were doing was superior or that we were working harder. Just shared what we were doing for OP and other parents who were interested and stated that there are no associated safeguarding issues. FWIW we do have the video camera on for some activities for some year groups e.g. form time.

oegase no one thinks screen sharing and talking over a ppt is safeguarding. You confused people with your statement there. Lots of state schools are doing narrated ppts and live lessons : they are not the sole domain of private schools. Your initial post made it sound like you were saying videoed lessons posed no safeguarding issues and I am sure the PP was asking about video conferencing.

What many(or some very vocal) parents on here, and elements of the press, and Andrew Adonis, have been calling for is full on Zoom type lessons 'so they can see their teachers' faces' : that's what is not at all recommended, and what a handful of private schools are doing.

Please don't encourage a superiority complex about fee paying school. The vast majority of all teachers , in all schools, are working harder than ever.

Anyway, I digress : the main concern of this thread is that no one - absolutely no one - knows what on earth the government even means by 'from June 1st begin to prepare for some face to face support for years 10 and 12 to supplement their online learning'.

That is literally all anyone knows. Primary school headteachers have had 41 different guidance documents to wade through : secondary heads none., other than these vague statements hidden away in general guidance.

Nothing here but as DD is at a college with young people traveling in on buses from a wide area I hope they can minimise the number of journeys needed.

My ds in year 10 will be allocated one day a week for going into school - they can’t change the day they are given. They’ve been trialling Microsoft teams lessons and will be upping that for more subjects. Face to face return will commence 8th June. 150 in the year group, so 30 kids + any key worker provision kids in on any one day.
More info to follow after half term. It’s not great, but it’s a start and hopefully they’ll be able to add to it as time goes on and the country continues to try and deal with the situation more effectively

Yes of course - the 'video' is often screen sharing a PPT and speaking over it rather than all staring at each other!

As someone who set this up in a private school, it is about how you do it and the rules, checks and balances you put in place. Just like how you manage safeguarding in real life.

The private / state difference may affect access to tech, very much dependent on the school/area of course, but it makes no difference to the safeguarding principles.

And that same report does mention that not all families will have access to technology and internet. It lists online teaching as one thing you may get from your school.

Lots of schools do things online ,not necessarily live. DHs private school does absolutely no faces on screen so I am fed up of this generalisation that all private schools aren't worrying about safeguarding/ using Zoom.

Video teaching and online teaching are different things.

Mine has said Y12s will get one hour per subject per week from June. They have also said they will be going in different days of the week and that some of this teaching will be online (so no changes to what we have, I guess, apart of the distant possibility to be at school for an hour some times)

Our school is offering alternate weeks in social bubbles with subject teachers, just not necessarily their usual subject teacher.

It looks great. Shame my DD's MH is so shot to pieces she won't be in a position to access it.

It isn't a safeguarding risk if managed appropriately. Unions were opposed to it and put this idea into some teachers' heads. The DfE safeguarding update supports video teaching and no organisations working in the field of child protection have come out against it. Of course there is a whole load of work, set up, rules and training to ensure safeguards are in place.

Y10 here. Our school have decided against any face to face teaching at present. They sent out a questionnaire to,parents and their feedback intimated that more parents didn't want to send their kids back than did. Every child will have a one to one virtual meeting with their tutor and they are ramping up the online teaching provision.

But it also says further guidance to follow Madame. There has been none. No one knows what the face to face means.

@MadameMinimes, yes there would be a few different children in each subject class but a lot of them do the same groups of subjects, so all of them doing further maths are doing maths, and physics , and all of them doing physics do maths, dt is the only one with a few different students, but I don't think any class is bigger then 12 for his subjects so fairly easy to distance them. It may well change they did say in the letter that this is there current plan based on the latest info they had received but that the government may change it with very short notice. I was surprised they were aiming for June 1st I thought it would be more like the end of June.

They apply to all education and childcare settings piggy. That’s why it says “and young people” rather than just children as it applies in colleges and sixth forms too where some students are over 18. There is a separate document that is specific to primary with more detailed guidance. The point I quoted definitely applies to secondary as the very next bullet point refers to them having the same teacher at all times, except in secondary where the teacher is allowed to rotate based on specialism. That’s why some schools are planning for year 10 to do taught lessons for core subjects. It’s the options and A Levels that are problematic.

Those guidelines are all for years R, 1 and 6. It is considered more risky to mix older children, expect for the belief they have that they will miraculously socially distance.

But the the guidelines state that they mustn’t mix in other groups even on “subsequent days”. It neither within the letter or the spirit of the the guidelines. I’d be curious to know what their insurers would say.

@MadameMinimes I think schools that are planning that kind of A-level provision are doing one subject per day, which IMO sticks to the letter but not the spirit of the guidance. It's clearly dangerous from a disease spread PoV.

The school I work at is offering 1 half day a week for Y10/12. It'll be supervised study/support for Y10 with a focus on core subjects, and Y12 hopefully face to face with at least 1 subject specialist per week (but this may not be workable). We don't think we'll have everything ready in school for 1st June (repurposing some non-teaching rooms for social distancing) though. I don't think this level of detail has gone out to parents yet, and the LA have said they can't provide all the usual transport, so not really sure how it will work in practice.

This current system of just setting stuff on SMHW and hoping the kids can teach it to themselves though is worrying me and I really would like some online teaching/live teacher contact.

This is what we are currently doing- most kids are managing really well with some support via email if needed. We can't offer live teaching as a significant minority of our students have indicated that their internet wouldn't cope with long zoom calls AND it's a safeguarding risk.

If your children are struggling in general, I'd suggest contacting their form tutor for some help and advice, or individual subject teachers if it's individual subjects that are causing the problem.

I know it's not the same as real face to face teaching in school, but I don't think it's worth hoping for something that is pretty unlikely to happen.

*if not of

lostinlego Will they be in classes with different students for their different subjects?I don’t see how that’s possible of the school are sticking to the guidance, which says:
“ensure that children and young people are in the same small groups at all times each day, and different groups are not mixed during the day, or on subsequent days”