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The government should be made to fulfil their promise re Autumn GCSE sittings since there is now no appeals procedure. [Edited by MNHQ at OP's request]

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H0usePlant · 26/04/2020 15:45

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/education/2020/apr/22/schools-and-exam-boards-undermine-promise-to-pupils-of-september-tests

So having had the chance to sit GCSEs( understandable in the circumstances if schools don’t go back until the Autumn) the gov promised a robust appeals procedure and Autumn sittings. There is now no appeals procedure to speak off as regards actual results and it’s looking less likely there will be Autumn sittings.

They promised both originally and many kids are going to be really upset that through no fault of their own that there will be no chance to put right any issues with GCSE grades allocated. It will surely have an impact on the future chances of those wishing to attend Russel group unis.

Having read several year 11 threads it’s clear all schools aren’t adhering to advice that work from home after school stopped is not to be used.Many kids do cram( there is no gcse rule book prohibiting this), some kids will have had issues outside and inside school that will have an impact on grades being allocated without exams. Private schools have an added incentive for higher results and no Sats data. Teachers, schools and circumstances vary. As such it’s clear in all likelihood there will be discrepancies.

My dd has had an awful time and isn’t holding out much hope that she’ll get what she should/ could have done. She has been working hard since school left for Autumn sittings as that is what was promised. These appear to be disappearing too. Sitting GCSEs next summer whilst studying for A levels isn’t workable. They have hoards of free time and anxiety now. She is now feeling powerless to put right any discrepancies herself. We as parents will be powerless to do anything when results come out.

It’s shit and the gov should surely be offering money to exam boards to ensure exams are held in the Autumn as they promised.

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SabineSchmetterling · 26/04/2020 19:43

I’m surprised by the answers here. As a teacher I’m furious that they might withdraw them. I think this will put an awful lot of pressure on teachers and will direct an awful lot of public anger and resentment our way. Every student who doesn’t get what the grade they thought they should is going to blame their teachers and their school. The autumn exams were meant to be the chance to correct any errors without a complex and unwieldy appeals process.

compassunreliable · 26/04/2020 19:43

You're upset and you're catastrophising. Which is understandable, but not going to help.

None of us has any idea what things will look like a year from now, but the one thing that seems increasingly apparent is that very little will look how it did before. So there's little point catastrophising on the basis that systems and expectations after this will be as if it hadn't affected anyone.

The whole system your DD is part of will adapt and change to what's going on.

Even in normal times before this, unfairness affected lots of teenagers taking exams. People find their way through.

Just because things don't play out how you've pictured them doesn't mean they will be awful.

Things could work out better - your DD has a huge chance to get a head start on her A level work, and the opportunity to start that work relatively "rested" because she hasn't had to go through the mill sitting exams.

That is the approach I would be using to take control.

Comefromaway · 26/04/2020 19:43

I agree op.

My niece is devastated. She was predicted 7/8 in most of her subjects but was struggling in maths in a low set and barely expected to get a 4/5.

So after mocks in January she started good no to a tutor. He identified gaps in her learning (stemming from having attended a poor junior school and missing secondary lessons due to mental health) and he also explained things in a different way (she’s autistic). Things just clicked and at the beginning of March said there was no reason she shouldn’t get at LEAST a 6.

But her school have no evidence of this. Ok, she may not need Maths for college/uni but the effect of this is that she’s just given up on everything as what’s the point. Probably part of the autism. She’s going to do a childcare course at college.

H0usePlant · 26/04/2020 19:40

I don’t think you can say that as a definite. When results come out there may be several. Some may want to do one, a couple or several like my dd.

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Hercwasonaroll · 26/04/2020 19:36

Honestly there won't be many.

H0usePlant · 26/04/2020 19:34

So nobody else will be bothered that Aut sittings were promised. No other kids were continuing to work? Oh ok then. It’s only her plodding away for nothing, that’s ok then.Hmm

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Hercwasonaroll · 26/04/2020 19:32

Then you have to deal with her separately and appreciate she's a special case. Most students will accept their grades as a passport to further study and move on.

H0usePlant · 26/04/2020 19:29

It’s only just been reported that Aut sittings may not happen. The alternative I suggest is the Aut sittings they promised on not just one occasion.

Decent GCSEs are important. She knows that. I can’t just tell her to stop working. The subjects she’s studying aren’t her Alevel subjects but they’re subjects that are weighty and important. If Aut sittings ran and she hadn’t worked she’d be gutted all over again.

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Hercwasonaroll · 26/04/2020 19:22

Fund a gap year like most people by getting a job.

Hercwasonaroll · 26/04/2020 19:21

We've interacted about thus before OP.

Working on pre A level work for subjects she wants to do at A level is great. Lots of this will be covered by GCSE revision anyway.

Why are you so bothered about subjects she doesn't want to continue?

It is not in the schools interest to down grade her. There are very very few cases where students make huge grade improvements from March to June. It is unfortunate if you really thought she would and now won't get to find out. But what alternative do you suggest?

No one knows when the resits will happen because no one knows what's happening with schools going back.

Calm down and prioritise what she wants to study at sixth form. Forget the rest.

H0usePlant · 26/04/2020 19:11

Surely a recession would mean more would go to uni. Recession equals fewer jobs.At least you’d be doing something at uni instead of looking for a needle in a haystack job.

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KrakowDawn · 26/04/2020 19:07

I think the loss of income from foreign students for universities, coupled with the recession meaning fewer home students, means that in a couple of years universities are going to offer places to almost all that apply.

H0usePlant · 26/04/2020 19:05

What is she supposed to do in a Gap year? How is she supposed to fund it? She wants to go to uni when her friends go.

The DofE organisation is shit. Who promises something on a national level if they can’t deliver it? Have they forgotten that they’re dealing with kids, kids who have already had the rug pulled from under them.

She’s already doing Alevel work but doing masses of GCSE too which would clearly be better spent on Alevel. She can’t stop incase they run the Aut sittings. Angry

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Lonecatwithkitten · 26/04/2020 19:01

One way is move on to A-level work. Work hard at A-level, do not apply to uni in year 13, but take a Gap year once she has A-level grades and GCSE grades are of far less value in that application process.
I say this as someone who did exactly this due to less than stellar GCSE grades, really up my game at A-level gaining tip top grades. Worked in relevant area in gap year had unconditional offer by Feb of my gap year.

H0usePlant · 26/04/2020 18:58

But if you’re going for a STEM degree then surely a range of stellar STEM GCSEs will help, ditto in a language degree.... Crap GCSEs will make you look as if you’re not up to the course.

20th March and before they promised Aut sittings.

www.gov.uk/government/news/further-details-on-exams-and-grades-announced

If they’re not happening when are they going to tell the kids who are clearly wasting their time working?

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Seeline · 26/04/2020 18:51

Proof of interest means relevant work experience, voluntary work, relevant EPQ, attendance at relevant talks/lectures provided by unis or eg professional institutes, MOOCS, TED talks, independent research and reading around the subject. Not a GCSE that everyone has done.

H0usePlant · 26/04/2020 18:38

I know she would have been fine because she was ill before and acing work she was doing at home. I think it’s a bit naive to think when giving supporting info within areas to support degrees good GCSEs in the areas that compliment won’t help. There will be no way unis will ignore those with good GCSEs.

The point is they were promised Aut sittings so that is what they should be having. You can’t muck them around like this, they’ve been though enough.

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HappySonHappyMum · 26/04/2020 18:28

You do realise everyone will be disadvantaged in exactly the same way. University's will have to adapt when this years cohort come round. Your DD will be at no more of an advantage or disadvantage than anyone else. How do you know she would have aced her exams given the chance, there are so many variables that all students have to face when approaching exams, and things do go wrong. Get the GCSE grades and focus on getting good A levels. It's what all current Year 11 students are going to have to do.

crazycrofter · 26/04/2020 18:05

I also have a year 11 dd. Prior to all this she'd been looking at degree courses she'd be interested in - Russell Group unis, high A Level requirements. None of them stipulated GCSE grades, other than the usual Maths and English passes. My understanding is that most universities are mainly looking at A Level predicted grades?

If a course requires Maths and English GCSE passes and A,A,B at A Level for example and your dd is predicted those A Level grades, she should be in with a chance. And if not, she can wait until she has the actual A Level grades and apply then. I really wouldn't worry too much.

Both my brothers did underwhelmingly at GCSE - the older one got a mixture of Bs, Cs and Ds - and got into top universities because their A Levels were much better. I think this is common, especially with boys.

H0usePlant · 26/04/2020 17:44

When you look on some courses they say proof of interest too ie good GCSEs. Having a year out isn’t that easy and they could avoid all of the above by providing the Aut sittings they promised. Why promise it if they had no intention of doing it? The DofE seem to really not care re the mental health of already anxious teens.

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wonderstuff · 26/04/2020 17:37

You don't know how universities are going to approach admissions with this cohort. For all sorts of reasons I expect students with strong A-levels and mediocre GCSES will be able to get on chosen courses. It's likely that the marking system will undergrade students in various disadvantaged groups and for that reason alone I'd expect universities to take a considered view. As stated up thread the main reason to consider GCSE grades is that they are achieved whereas A grades are predicted if students are applying in year 13. If a student takes a year out post A level they can apply with achieved A level grades and GCSEs become far less important.

H0usePlant · 26/04/2020 17:26

No way are unis going to ignore bad/ good gcse results. They just won’t.

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H0usePlant · 26/04/2020 17:24

Because she’s had a shit time over a long period of time. Things were just coming together. She’s been looking at all her grades and trying to make an average, awful. Can’t see how they’ll magic the grades she should have got in the actual exam out of them.She’s doing Alevel work and was working at GCSEs in Aut-for nothing. She’s really upset. They’re not even making firm announcements so she can stop working. The DofE and exam boards are hardly going to be busy at the moment, teachers are doing it all for them.

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wonderstuff · 26/04/2020 17:21

My understanding is that appeals are possible if there is a concern about the statistical process but not in relation to the teacher award. I do think that the gradings of the GCSEs this year is as fair a system as is possible.

I agree that autumn exams should be possible, I think that the government promised this without a good understanding of how difficult it would be to administer. The last article I read on it, and I can't remember where, but I think they were looking at English and maths autumn retakes but may not be able to offer a full range of subjects. The government may yet step in and change that. Obviously the ongoing uncertainty about when schools can return is adding to the challenge here.

All students in this cohort will be in the same boat though and I can't imagine universities won't consider this when offering places.

TeenPlusTwenties · 26/04/2020 17:19

Get her doing pre-A level work. A nice head start to her A level courses. That seems to be what a lot of schools are doing.

How many subjects and how many grades below capability are you expecting this to impact her?
Why are you not expecting her grades to be more or less right?

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