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The government should be made to fulfil their promise re Autumn GCSE sittings since there is now no appeals procedure. [Edited by MNHQ at OP's request]

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H0usePlant · 26/04/2020 15:45

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/education/2020/apr/22/schools-and-exam-boards-undermine-promise-to-pupils-of-september-tests

So having had the chance to sit GCSEs( understandable in the circumstances if schools don’t go back until the Autumn) the gov promised a robust appeals procedure and Autumn sittings. There is now no appeals procedure to speak off as regards actual results and it’s looking less likely there will be Autumn sittings.

They promised both originally and many kids are going to be really upset that through no fault of their own that there will be no chance to put right any issues with GCSE grades allocated. It will surely have an impact on the future chances of those wishing to attend Russel group unis.

Having read several year 11 threads it’s clear all schools aren’t adhering to advice that work from home after school stopped is not to be used.Many kids do cram( there is no gcse rule book prohibiting this), some kids will have had issues outside and inside school that will have an impact on grades being allocated without exams. Private schools have an added incentive for higher results and no Sats data. Teachers, schools and circumstances vary. As such it’s clear in all likelihood there will be discrepancies.

My dd has had an awful time and isn’t holding out much hope that she’ll get what she should/ could have done. She has been working hard since school left for Autumn sittings as that is what was promised. These appear to be disappearing too. Sitting GCSEs next summer whilst studying for A levels isn’t workable. They have hoards of free time and anxiety now. She is now feeling powerless to put right any discrepancies herself. We as parents will be powerless to do anything when results come out.

It’s shit and the gov should surely be offering money to exam boards to ensure exams are held in the Autumn as they promised.

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Hercwasonaroll · 27/04/2020 11:06

There was forward thinking. This then had to be changed as more information became available and the number of students expected to resit became more apparent.

It's all a huge unknown at the moment. The consultation is out, let's wait and see what happens after that.

wonderwhatnext · 27/04/2020 10:53

By the way, the chance of resits for A-level candidates is similarly a cause of much confusion. First they were supposed to be in Sept. Now they’re apparently set for November. Will these exams be retracted too? Some universities are saying they will offer guaranteed deferred places if students make up the grades in the Autumn exams, but if a large proportion of current year 13s hi this route, it is likely to have a significant impact on the number of uni places available for the 2021 cohort. It just all seems very vague and inconsistent. Doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.

wonderwhatnext · 27/04/2020 10:39

I don’t think it’s too much to expect some consistency and forward-thinking from the DofE, even in light of the circumstances. Confused

I’m not sure you can just go off and do an EPQ without guidelines tbh, as there is a very specific format for writing these, including guidance on gathering / interpreting sources Snd the literature review that preceded the writing of the actual study. But yes, you could start to think about a topic for sure.

Another idea OP, could be for your DD to enter an essay completion in an area of interest. Have a search online. This kind of thing will look great on a UCAS form.

What is the difference between the grades she’s expecting and the grades she feels she could have achieved in exams? What are the grades, if I can ask that, and it a big difference?

Embracelife · 27/04/2020 10:16

She could complete an EPQ in year 12 alongside a levels and get a head start on her subject and smash her interviews and personal statement.

All unis will know there was a pandemic in 2020.
Look for opportunities.

H0usePlant · 27/04/2020 10:13

That and a clearer outline re what work after the deadline can be used as there are clearly some hugely different interpretations of instructions amongst schools.

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Embracelife · 27/04/2020 10:11

Also studying for resist alongside starting s level course would not be the easiest. How many autumn gcses would she be wanting to take were they offered? Surely best to move on .
Focus on a levels. No reading or studying now will be wasted. She could turn it into an EPQ EPQ especially if she has a topic she loves. Why not look into EPQ and what it involves and start research now? If she knows already what she wants to study in uni choose an obscure unusual but related topic.
Read and start gathering research. EPQ can give student loads to talk about on a topic in an interview . Dd in state comprehensive did EPQ EPQ related to medicine field and got 3 med school offers including from 2 in top 10.

Unless of course it s gcse English or maths below a 4 no point planning to resit

H0usePlant · 27/04/2020 10:10

If you don’t have a crystal ball, don’t say things will happen. They should have said from day one. Exams are cancelled. There will be no appeal system and no chance of sittings until next year.

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Hercwasonaroll · 27/04/2020 10:07

Not teased just that I think you aren't listening very well.

The pandemic situation is literally changing daily. Sorry that the DfE didn't have a crystal ball.

H0usePlant · 27/04/2020 10:05

By using the word bite you’re inferring you’re being teased.HmmI speak as a frustrated, worried parent with an understandably( given the circumstances) worried child.

Have had empathy and patience but actually before saying they will provide something you’d think a gov department would be aware of the logistics involved.

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Hercwasonaroll · 27/04/2020 09:58

I'll bite one more time.

I understand you are worried. I understand your dd feels an exam might have been better for her to show exactly what she can do in her particular circumstance. I feel for her and all the other students who will have the "what if" feeling forever. Even a resit won't totally answer the what if, because the students sitting it will be a skewed population. So she will never know what she would have got in June 2020. She needs to park that thinking.

I also think you need to appreciate that ofqual and DfE have also had to make some pretty big decisions incredibly quickly. It's a global pandemic for everyone not just you and your dd. So a little bit of empathy and understanding towards their situation wouldn't go amiss.

wonderwhatnext · 27/04/2020 09:49

If it’s any consolation OP, I would have thought that schools will give the benefit if the doubt to students wherever possible. Obviously there will be moderation and schools can’t exceed reasonable expectations, but there is nothing to stop schools having a “near record-breaking year”. Who can prove this would not have been the case? Also, the exam boards don’t want a whole cohort kicking up a stink so hopefully they’ll be inclined to let all schools push it a little.

Also, if your DD is looking at RG unis, I think it does state in the course requirements the kind of GCSEs they will be looking for. Often it’s a minimum 6, I think? If your DD is broadly above average in ability, you would hope she’ll be awarded this as minimum, despite whatever it is that’s gone wrong for her in the last year or so.

But I do see why you’re annoyed and I don’t know why you’re getting a hard time on here tbh.

H0usePlant · 27/04/2020 09:35

Thanks Happy, she’s already getting outside help.Hmm Having worked incredibly hard to get well, deal with shitty times and sort her life out before a subsequent pandemic it’s not a surprise that she is a tad upset re the latest developments.

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H0usePlant · 27/04/2020 09:33

Crazy think a friend helpfully sent her a link originally, she definitely knows.

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HappySonHappyMum · 27/04/2020 09:30

Resits in Autumn were not promised. They were suggested as part of the consultation of grading which is still ongoing until the 29th April. Resits were suggested as part of the initial proposal and education suppliers are currently being consulted as to whether the proposals are appropriate. We won't know the exact situation until after this date. You are doing your DD no favours by encouraging her to continue to revise for the next five months - she will burn out - and if she is as upset as you continue to suggest maybe she needs to get some outside help to deal with the situation she finds herself in for her own sake.

H0usePlant · 27/04/2020 09:30

I think that is unfair right Herc I’m not ignoring advice. I think it’s understandable to be worried for my dd, a bit of empathy for kids in this mess wouldn’t go amiss.

That wasn’t a random snippet. It was the latest advice.Confused

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wonderwhatnext · 27/04/2020 09:29

Schools have simply been told to “exercise caution” in regard to any work handed in after March 23rd.

I have DC in 3 different schools. I don’t know about the Year 11s, but the schools have made no secret if the fact that all the U6 sat online exams last week (and this week) - despite the statement about the cut off date of March 23rd. Yes, they will obviously “exercise caution” because if the on- line circumstances, but it is simply not the case that all schools’ assessments ceased on a given date.

Many independent schools are doing IGCSE anyway and those grades get moderated against schools across the world, some of whom are still sitting Summer exams. If they want to do their own internal assessments now and “treat with caution” they will.

crazycrofter · 27/04/2020 09:29

Then maybe the best thing is not to tell her they might not go ahead. If studying is helping her, let her carry on. Come August she may be pleasantly surprised and decide not to resit. Come August it will also be clearer whether schools will be open in the Autumn.

Do you need to tell her resits may not go ahead? Or is she reading the news herself?

Hercwasonaroll · 27/04/2020 09:25

I'm giving up here OP. You basically ignore anything that is said to you by actual teachers on the ground dealing with this and instead start using random snippets of DfE /ofqual publications taken out of context.

I hope your dd is awarded the grades she feels she could have got and then she can progress to further study as she wants.

H0usePlant · 27/04/2020 09:24

And I thought exam boards weren’t going to be looking at evidence so surely schools can look at what they like.

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H0usePlant · 27/04/2020 09:22

Soon They then mentioned June after for sittings so clearly sittings in Aut were what were being referenced to.

Thanks Wonder. She’s not applying to Oxbridge but some pretty weighty unis. She came to me worried re the GCSEs in applications. She wanted to study for them and I supported her.The studying has been a huge help and stopped her from panicking about the future. She was actually reassured as is convinced she’d pull off the results she wants. It has given her reassurance and something to do.

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worstofbothworlds · 27/04/2020 09:22

:The DofE and exam boards are hardly going to be busy at the moment
Hope this was sarcastic.
Lecturer here - STEM and we require high A level grades. We will be looking at the summer 2020 GCSE grades with an appropriate lens. We only require Maths and English as entry requirements and we would be looking at those more generously this year obviously.

Soontobe60 · 27/04/2020 09:20

Whatever 🤷🏼‍♀️

Soontobe60 · 27/04/2020 09:18

child is being set work used for assessment for the next 3 weeks on top of the last 4 . That is nearly 2 months extra work that is going to be used as assessment

No It Isn't!

It has been made absolutely clear that any work completed after schools closed will not be able to be used towards assessment purposes. Schools that attempt to do so will be in serious trouble as this will be construed as malpractice.
There is absolutely no way of knowing who has done the work at home, which is why it won't be allowed for consideration. How dodgy will it look when little Johnny got a 2 for his mocks then shoots up to a 7? Ofqual isn't daft. Data from previous years will be looked at, so of a school suddenly gets a massive rise in results compared to previous years then that will be questioned during moderation. Schools who suddenly have double the amount of coursework as evidence will be challenged to prove that the work was completed post mock exam but before lockdown.

H0usePlant · 27/04/2020 09:16

In addition, if a student does not feel their grade reflects their performance, they will have the opportunity to sit an exam, as soon as is reasonably possible after schools and colleges open again.

From the gov and if not a pretty definite plan I don’t know what is. The same has been mentioned in previous briefings.

The rest of your post is completely inaccurate and as far from the truth re my dd as you could get not surprisingly considering you know absolutely nothing about her or my parenting.

No I don’t want the grades she could have got, I’m just forever grateful she’s healthy. She wants them and she has done the RG research as let’s face it has a lot of time on her hands. And looking towards her future in current times doesn’t deserve scorn. I’m proud of her attitude.

Sitting GCSEs next summer on top of Alevels is just not workable. Don’t care if many do I think it would be bonkers as regards work load. She wants to do Alevels with her friends. Life has been shit enough as it is for her, a bit of normality going forward is what she needs, not a year out.

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