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choosing a secondary school at yr 6...

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MaryAnnSingleton · 12/09/2007 15:20

we are going to see the second of 2 local secondary schools next week. The first is quite big (990 on roll) and it looks as though many of ds' classmates will be choosing it. His particular friend has just started there in yr 7.
The other school is a bit smaller (812) and ds' primary is not a feeder school for it, nor are we in catchment area. Both though are about same walking distance from home and both roughly equally good academically.
The first seemed huge to me and a bit overwhelming - obv compared to cosy primary school - so how do we choose ?
obviously ds will have a say, plus I usually go on gut instinct/ vibes etc. He is a quiet, gentle boy so don't want him lost among the crowds. Any sage advice gratefully welcomed !

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MaryAnnSingleton · 12/09/2007 17:35

actually he was quite scared of the bunsen burner and I had to do the explosive bit !!! The music dept (it's a music specialist school) was fab and the school band was playing which always makes me emotional !

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MaryAnnSingleton · 12/09/2007 17:33

seeker - the pony book was set in Wales, with these children going to spend a holiday at a house, but when they got there it was deserted - can't remember much more about it,except there were ponies and they had to make a damper (which intruiged meas I'd never heard of them before) out of flour and water as there was no food ! That's it really...they stayed somewhere with a Welsh name - possibly Llyn Glas ?

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Blandmum · 12/09/2007 17:32

just so long as your ds realises that he will not do all of the stuff he saw being demonstrated all in the first week!

And also that just because it doesn't have a bunsenburner in it, a science lesson can still be fun

MaryAnnSingleton · 12/09/2007 17:30

thanks MB - yes, the first one had a lovely open evening with very friendly teachers - we did science ezperiments, tasted cakes in food tech. and ds made a keyring in the design dept-didn't look in the loos though ! lots of stuff up on the walls too.

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seeker · 12/09/2007 17:28

I would go by instinct - we thought we had our list sorted, then completely changed our minds after we visited. The school dd has just started is the biggest in the area at over 1000 girls but felt the calmest and friendliest of the lot.
Don't forget to see if you can visit during a normal school day as well as the open day - the way schools react to this request is very revealing. We tried it on 3, one said a flat no, one asked us to make an appointment, the third said yes come any time.

Oh,Maryanne - tell me about the pony book you're looking for - I have hundreds and I might know it!

Blandmum · 12/09/2007 17:27

990, isn't that big for a secondary, I teach in a school of 1300.

remember that he will not just be 'loose' in the school, he will be in a form, with a form tutor. He will be in a Year group (or other division of the school, different places, do it different ways) and there will be a member of staff in charge of that larger collection of children, so I wouldn't worry. It is amazing how well they settle in by the first half term.

Look at the walls, are the full of ythe kids work, look at the staff, do they interact with the students in a positive and supportive way. Check the loos!

Go on your gut feeling and ask yourself which school suits you son first

MaryAnnSingleton · 12/09/2007 17:20

thanks all - that is very helpful - frogs - your dd's school sounds lovely - very welcoming to yr 7s !
There's no reason to think that he won't get into the first school, unless of course everyone wants to go there.He has no other siblings already there though, unlike several classmates. I'd be happy with either I think. I want to see how I feel (and ds) next week when we go to the open evening.

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frogs · 12/09/2007 16:30

The difference between a school of 812 and 990 is not that great tbh, when you spread it across 7 school years. Much of the difference may be in the 6th form anyway, so might only mean a few extra kids per year group in Y7-11. Round here annual intakes of 180 kids per year are standard, and many school have more.

Find out how the pastoral care is structured -- how many tutor groups do they have per year group, and how many kids in each. Do they have heads of year, or heads of key stage? What are the settling-in arrangments?

For example, dd1's school which has an intake of 96 children per year (which is small for here) do a new Y7 day in July when they meet their new form tutor and classmates, and check out the layout of the school. They follow that up with a new Y7 families barbeque on a Sunday in July, where they can meet their classmates again informally, and parents can meet other parents.

In September they start the new Y7 a day early to ease them in gently with a special welcome assembly to which parents are invited, and give each newbie a Y8 girl and a Y12 girl to keep an eye on them. Early on in the year they do a Y7 trip to an activity centre (raft-building, high ropes, that kind of thing) and have an information evening for all Y7 parents to tell you what the expectations are, and to allow you to meet the staff and other parents (again).

That is at the extreme end of what can be done, but gives you an idea of what to look out for in terms of pastoral care.

As for whether you'd get into school 2, check the LEA website and see what the admissions arrangements are, and what the cut-off distance was for the previous year.

hth

ejt1764 · 12/09/2007 16:19

990 is not a particularly big school ... the comp I teach at is 950 on roll, and is one of the smaller schools in Cardiff.

TBH, go on your gut feeling, and which one ds prefers ...

christywhisty · 12/09/2007 16:13

Ds has just started secondary and we went on gut feeling and a little bit on parent feedback.Also Ds fell in love with school.

We are 5 miles away but managed to get in on a apptitude for technology test.If there are apptitude tests they are usually only allowed to take 10% of their intake this way.
I think you need to find out how realistic your chances are of getting into 2nd school.

Tinker · 12/09/2007 15:58

1st

Tinker · 12/09/2007 15:58

Will you have a decent chance of getting into teh 2nd one? Having a sibling there is the ist criteria in my LA

MaryAnnSingleton · 12/09/2007 15:53

oh dear, none is answering !

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MaryAnnSingleton · 12/09/2007 15:27

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MaryAnnSingleton · 12/09/2007 15:24

will bump it in case anyone is watching !

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