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Year 9 and Year 10 GCSE students - unfairly treated by Ofqual?

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barbosska · 04/04/2020 17:27

Students in our school sit GCSE exams in Years 9,10,11. Each of these year groups has lessons in Math, English, Science plus 2-3 GCSE courses of their choice. Each GCSE course runs for a year instead of two, and students from Year 9,10 and 11 all sit together in the same lessons and then sit GCSEs together. They do not study any other subjects except for the above.

Yesterday's Ofqual indicated that Year 9 and 10 students will not be awarded the GCSE grades because they can do these exams in Year 11. This would however put them in a highly disadvantageous position next Year, as not only they would need to do remaining GCSEs in one year instead of two, but also to keep on top of the subjects they have learnt this year and for which they were ready to sit exams.

There are not many schools in the country who organise GCSEs this way and I would very much appreciate to hear from people in the same situation as us: what are you and your schools planning to do?

All these children have sat in one class listening to the same teacher, did the same job, had the same teacher and now Year 11 will get the grades and the rest of students will not - how is that fair? Ofqual should have at least left to the discretion of the schools whether to , but not just pull them all out from the exam registers. Ofqual said they will run a consultation soon, but who are they going to consult - just their internal departments? The fact they they have come up with the proposition already indicates that they have no idea how some schools structure their courses.

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titchy · 05/04/2020 16:31

Doing 25 separate exams for 11 GCSEs in 1.5 months in Y11 is a cruelty to children and is certainly not the best way to access someone's ability. And what if child gets, say , a cold and is off-sick for a week?

Well the vast majority of 16 year olds manage this 'cruelty' Hmm If a kids sick for one of their exams their results can be based on the other exam.

Or they have no exams for a week and two on the same day, how is that friendly to children and not putting under undue stress?

But every other kid manages this. Avoiding stress and exams is really poor practice - kids need to learn strategies to deal with taking exams over a short space of time.

The exam boards do coordinate timetables btw, but it isn't always possible to space things out given weird combinations that some kids do.

barbosska · 05/04/2020 16:27

ChloeDecker

it's interesting you've said in your comment: "Some schools, like the OP’s and yours are happy for this terminal year to be in Year 9 or 10 and take the hit on league tables presumably."

But others respondents on this thread were saying that the school is inflating its league by doing early GCSES. So there is no consensus even on this point : whether early exams inflate or deflate the league tables.

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barbosska · 05/04/2020 16:23

Easilyanxious

Totally agree with you on your last comment. Doing 25 separate exams for 11 GCSEs in 1.5 months in Y11 is a cruelty to children and is certainly not the best way to access someone's ability. And what if child gets, say , a cold and is off-sick for a week?

If there were 11 exams for 11 subjects, then it would have been OK, but when each exam has 2-4 separate modules, it is hard. And then for Art for example, the practical exam runs for ten hours ( five hours a day for two days), and then the student is expected to do Physics the following morning, for example.

Or they have no exams for a week and two on the same day, how is that friendly to children and not putting under undue stress?

Why the numerous exam board cannot ensure that there are no overlaps in the exams? They are commercial organisations who charge fees and should be able to provide this service.

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ChloeDecker · 05/04/2020 16:20

It's not cheating taking an exam you are still sitting it wether a year early or not
Exam boards specifically have engineered their exams to be sat as a terminal year in Year 11, that’s why. Some schools, like the OP’s and yours are happy for this terminal year to be in Year 9 or 10 and take the hit on league tables presumably.
It is not better when a student opts to take a subject they have last studied in Year 9, for A Level, for example.

Easilyanxious · 05/04/2020 16:15

Op I think it's likely ours will be expected to take end of year 11 and as other people's schools don't do it they can't see issue , my concern is also that my year 10 is missing quite a lot of school year which of course can't be helped and if they go back in September they have a lot of catching up to do as I appreciate all years do ,but year 10 and 13 will be sitting mocks shortly after going back and will have a lot of catching up to do quite quickly .If they allow the schools to enter them they should at least allow them to sit in autumn as they have prepared for it just as much but for those whose children aren't affected they won't see the issue

ChloeDecker · 05/04/2020 16:15

Interestingly, since Sept 2019, there have been no schools that have been awarded ‘outstanding’ who were previously ‘outstanding’ and only 6 awarded good to outstanding. Didn’t you say your school has always been awarded outstanding at every visit, OP?

www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/monthly-management-information-ofsteds-school-inspections-outcomes

barbosska · 05/04/2020 16:13

slothbyday

just re-read the guidance. It says: "Y10 can do exams in future exam series."

So maybe Y 10 can do them in September too.

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barbosska · 05/04/2020 16:10

slothbyday

"Since y10 and 9 can have a delayed assessment they do not need to go through adapt and predict. They can take it in the resit period in autumn."

This would have been great, but this is not what Ofqual said. Exams in September are for those who get the grades and are not happy with them. If Y9 and 10 do not get the grades, they cannot sit them in September. Although perhaps the consultation will eventually let them sit exams they have studied for , in September too.

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Easilyanxious · 05/04/2020 16:09

Why is it not better you are still sitting one exam earlier if your capable ? Exams aren't for everybody and sitting 11 at once isn't always ideal . My other son is doing a couple of btechs as well which I'm glad at a he also won't have to sit so many papers . He will still be working as hard as Btech work is consistently marked and ha lots of coursework in it . It's not cheating taking an exam you are still sitting it wether a year early or not . Some are saying it's unfair why ? The system isn't exactly fair anyway, my oldest has been judged in his ability in a few hrs of exams and got quite a bit below his capabilities as exams aren't his strongpoint not all children are capable of sitting multiple exams , some should maybe just sit 6 or 7 and do well at those rather than be made to take more, or doing a couple year earlier and spreading them out makes total sense to me

barbosska · 05/04/2020 16:06

ChloeDecker

The school has an oversubscribed 6th form too. One quarter of the Y11 plus external candidates proceed to it.

There was a comment from someone earlier on this thread that students cannot do medicine if they follow a staggered GCSE route, as top universities do not like it.

This is not the case: last year 25 out of 60 Sixth form leavers went on to study Medicine. Others went to other department of Oxbridge and Russel group.

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slothbyday · 05/04/2020 16:06

Ofqual have been very clear form day one that they did not want to use predicted grades if it could be avoided. First option was always to delay assessment, second adapt, third predict.

Since y10 and 9 can have a delayed assessment they do not need to go through adapt and predict. They can take it in the resit period in autumn. They haven't been disadvantaged at all, they are able to show what they can do appropriately whereas the y11's can't because they are moving onto the next phase.

Never heard of a school doing what yours are doing and they would be seen as high risk by many for doing it.

Easilyanxious · 05/04/2020 16:04

Hi I'm not sure if they are approaching ofqual re : result they just said they were waiting clarification on it.
I will contact them after Easter to ask if we have not heard , bearing in mind these year 10'a are also going to miss out on good few weeks of gcse learning as well as can't all be done at home and for some impossible

ChloeDecker · 05/04/2020 16:04

Also I will add my other son sat 11 gcse and had so many papers so doing one or two early I can see benefits

Of course it is easier. Doesn’t mean it is better though.

Easilyanxious · 05/04/2020 16:01

Also I will add my other son sat 11 gcse and had so many papers so doing one or two early I can see benefits . He would of actually benefited from teacher assessments as he worked consistently at a higher level than he managed to pass at in the exams as so many papers etc in short amount of time , maybe the schools that do it early is a benefit for some children I know for my oldest it would of been as he is more capable than his grades actually show , a few less papers could if helped , which is why I was glad when my youngest was getting one out of the way a well as the school dropped a gcse so felt he was standing a better chance of showing his potential

ChloeDecker · 05/04/2020 16:01

Cross post. You were inspected last October and rated outstanding? Was it a Deep Dive?

barbosska · 05/04/2020 16:01

Easilyanxious

My understanding is that those students who get the grades and are not happy can sit exams in Autumn or next year. Those who do not get the grades have to do exams next year.

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ChloeDecker · 05/04/2020 16:00

Why is it cheating doing an exam early

But the OP is not just talking about ‘an’ exam early. The OP is talking about a school that is gaming the system with many exams taken in a staggered approach that has long since been frowned upon in order to maintain their ‘outstanding’ results, rather than following rules/guidance. This does not put schools/students at a level playing field. In addition, it is also a dangerous strategy and was deliberately changed after the English exam debacle a few years ago so as to ensure all schools follow fair procedures. The OP’s school are doing this purely for results and not what will be best for the students in the long term, leaving many underprepared for the next stage in their education. It is also why, finally, ‘outstanding’ schools have been out back in to the Ofsted visit ‘cycle’ again
(I would hazard a guess that the OP’s school does not have a Sixth Form attached that the pupils move on to either, but happy to be corrected)

barbosska · 05/04/2020 15:59

Easilyanxious

Do you know if your school is going to consult the Ofqual to ensure the grades are awarded for Y10?

You are exactly right- Y10 students worked as hard as Y11. The school's actions are not in their control and for me it is a clearly an unfair treatment when grades are issued based on the age.

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barbosska · 05/04/2020 15:55

AprilFloundering

Same with our school - it was last inspected last October and rated outstanding. It ran early GCSEs for the last 20 ears and was inspected by Ofsted multiple times in those 20 years

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Easilyanxious · 05/04/2020 15:54

Op I'm hoping they may allow them to sit early still but probably can't confirm as they can't say for sure when schools will be back or if these exams can take place . I very much doubt they will do teacher assessments but then as they allow the schools to enter the children probably should be the same principle as if it is against the rules as some are saying then surely you could not enter them anyway . Maybe different ways of doing suit different kids .

barbosska · 05/04/2020 15:53

JustHereWithMyPopcorn

Thank you very much for your comment. I was also surprised that people have jumped on the thread to blame the school, to make the accusation of cheating and all the rest of it whilst neither students nor the parents have any say on how the school is run. The school has the board of governors who decide on this issues and statutory bodies to control what they do.

It is not only our school which is affected. 10% of school children are affected, fifty thousand children. I hardly believe that Ofsted would have allowed early GCSEs to happen if they were strongly against it.

I have specifically asked what people in the same boat are planning to do and got 5 pages of blame and negativity from peole who are not in the same boat at all.

Thank you for your human response, I really appreciate it.

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ChloeDecker · 05/04/2020 15:52

Only two respondents are in the same situation, yet many others jumped on the thread to blame the school.

That’s because you were blaming Ofqual for being unfair.

Easilyanxious · 05/04/2020 15:50

My son was due to do English lit a year early and I thought was a great idea one less paper next year and they have worked just as hard as year 11 to prepare for the exam . Why is it cheating doing an exam early , our school also did options year 8 started studying from year 9 , year earlier than lots , I also like this idea as my kids don't need to keep learning say art , music and drama if which they had no interest in , where as other kids would rather spend more time on those subjects as opposed to say history etc . But they recently had ofsted inspection and have gone back to options year 9 no consulting parents or kids from ofsted just what they think is right . Ofsted in my opinion aren't always right either

barbosska · 05/04/2020 15:47

MrsElijahMikaelson1

I never said they did not study Math English and Sceince. I've said that instead of having two subjects for two years they learn one in a year and move to another one next year. So in Y 11 there will be 2 new subjects from scratch to be done in a Year.

And by the way, my original post asked for a feedback of people in the same situation, what they are planning to do.

Only two respondents are in the same situation, yet many others jumped on the thread to blame the school. Maybe the school is to blame, but this does not change the fact that all three Year groups 9,10,11 spent the whole year in the same classroom with the same teacher doing the same job preparing for the same exam and now Y 11 if graded and the rest is not.

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barbosska · 05/04/2020 15:39

BelleSausage

You would be surprised, but the most recent Ofsted inspection in October 2019 and itrated the school outstanding. The school has been running this model for the last 20 years at least and Ofsted has inspected them multiple times during this time

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