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Dr challoners headteacher

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Najaf · 01/04/2020 16:14

Does anyone on here have any feedback on the new headteacher in the admissions process? I supplied evidence of address ( but late) but he's having none of it to consider for admissions- he's saying I have to go to appeals

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Darbs76 · 02/04/2020 18:32

The only way to resolve these issues is to go to appeal. It might seem frustrating but you need to follow the process

FamilyOfAliens · 02/04/2020 16:53

Whatever you do though, OP, please try to be less arsey in your communications with the school than you've been on here.

TorkTorkBam · 02/04/2020 15:01

You mentioned you had been unwell at the time of application. Evidence of this being true may well help them to see why you made the mistakes in the first place. It may also help them to see that you are not a useless nightmare parent, you just had an awkward moment - that shouldn't affect their decision based on the facts but if you get in then it will help with your ongoing relationship with the school.

ArriettyJones · 02/04/2020 14:40

Still attach the evidence again to any correspondence and take copies of EVERYTHING of there is a face to face appeals hearing.

Ntb1979 · 02/04/2020 14:38

@ArriettyJones Good advice thankyou. I had submitted all the evidence already and I think that was why I felt like I wasn't being heard.

Ntb1979 · 02/04/2020 14:33

@TorkTorkBam thanks for your reply. That is a good point. I admit, I am a bit raw and frustrated. Let me take a deep breath!

ArriettyJones · 02/04/2020 13:59

You have to admit that is about the most suspicious-looking error you could possibly have made.

Use the appeals procedure. Gather every scrap of documentary evidence you can find. Be apologetic and emollient (ie do NOT harbour a grudge against the head or anyone else). Cross everything.

TorkTorkBam · 02/04/2020 13:52

There are always places allocated later through appeal for DCGS. Places are not accepted or rejected later because parents move for work (often internationally - it is a very mobile population). Some decide to take a private school place instead. Calm yourself and be ready for the appeal.

SavoyCabbage · 02/04/2020 13:37

You can’t rectify it because they have already allocated the places. They can’t ask other children to leave the school because you need the places.

I know some who forgot to apply for a primary school place as she just forgot (third child) and was completely bemused when she didn’t get the email on allocations day along with everyone else. It was a complete mistake but the LEA can’t just write to Jane’s mother saying ‘actually Jane wouldn’t have got a place if Leo’s mother had sent her form in because Leo would have got it. So we are giving it to Leo now.’

I don’t understand why you don’t understand.

prh47bridge · 02/04/2020 13:26

I just don't understand why a mistake is not allowed to be rectified

It is but you were too late rectifying it for the initial admissions. They should be taking the new information into account for the waiting list so you should be at or near the head of the list.

Zodlebud · 02/04/2020 13:05

Of course people make mistakes. But if the school is full then they won’t offer places on that basis, harsh as it may seem.

Najaf · 02/04/2020 13:00

@Zodlebud

Believe me the anger is directed at myself first and foremost!

I just don't understand why a mistake is not allowed to be rectified. Everyone makes mistakes 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Najaf · 02/04/2020 12:57

@LIZS

Yes both boys passed the scores were 135 and 121
Yes Sif forms were filled and submitted in time

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Najaf · 02/04/2020 12:54

The solicitor was actually excellent and very reasonable in cost. That was the initial advice. I normally wouldn't get a solicitor in these type of cases but I was unwell and I couldn't go through all the evidence in the timeframe given.

After looking into the case, she constructed some very good letters and I would say it formed a good backbone argument.

I won the other cases because factual evidence and good arguments will always win over the judge. That was a completely different matter and I have an interest in compliance/law in general.

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LIZS · 02/04/2020 12:54

Did both ds pass 11+ well enough to qualify for DCS? I'm still unclear whether you did submit the SIF on time or even at all?

Zodlebud · 02/04/2020 12:48

The four year rule is clearly stated in the admissions criteria. It has been made publicly available. It is your responsibility to check it. You did not.

You were asked to provide the SIF which would have highlighted this. You did not.

Then asking the admissions board to take into account information at a later date when they had given you the opportunity to do so earlier, and even reminded you to do so is what goes against you I’m afraid. The Bucks website also tells you to read the admissions policy for each school you are applying to. They cannot make people read stuff - you had plenty of reminders to make sure you had.

I really do feel for you as it sounds like if everything is above board and if you had provided the information when asked then your son would have a place.

Your anger should, however, be with yourself and not admissions, the head or anyone else. We all make mistakes and unfortunately this one has had consequences that affect your son.

You need to look at an admissions panel likely response to “I made a mistake, I didn’t read the admissions policy, I didn’t fill in the SIF when asked, I provided the wrong date, but now I want to give you all the information I should have done when you asked for it originally and expect a school place for my son.” When everybody else given a place in similar circumstances obviously did manage to do this. Why should you get special treatment and different rules to everyone else?

I honestly don’t want to seem confrontational - we all want our first choice schools for our children. It’s an incredibly emotional time. Nobody would blame you for trying at appeal. Just be realistic that it doesn’t look good.

Najaf · 02/04/2020 12:45

@LIZS

The residency rule has been covered earlier in the post where I moved out BEFORE sept 1st 2016 according to evidence but that was not written in my Sif form. Hence this undertaking is the reason why the school refused my Current address of 4 years.

The part I highlighted is where I ask why additional evidence should not be allowed when the school can request evidence if they suspect the application is not complete or accurate? That is the crux of my issue.

Thanks for all your replies

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Najaf · 02/04/2020 12:37

@FamilyOfAliens . yes. They did. Once they looked into the case, they said that any mistakes on a supplementary form Should be allowed to be rectified especially if evidence can be supplied to back it up. In my experience that has always been the case in non- admissions related forms.

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LIZS · 02/04/2020 12:32

Think you've highlighted the wrong section. Your places were refused under b). You have a property with 20 miles, further away than your current address, which has been leased to a third party but that you still own.

HermioneWeasley · 02/04/2020 12:30

You’ve won in the high court 4 times. Crikey. You must have had better representation there than your educational solicitor who could only tell you it “didn’t seem right”.

Is that you, Big Steph?

Najaf · 02/04/2020 12:29

@LIZS yes the evidence provided proved I moved into the new property in August complete with tenancy agreement, utility bill and council tax bill. I still owned the other property but it is the council tax bill which proves living status. I think that is why I feel my application was dismissed to appeal unfairly.

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LIZS · 02/04/2020 12:27

On your other thread you want the late evidence of your address to override your error. Unfortunately that is not the case, the LA allocated places based on the information available at the time of application. Are your Dses (you seem to have two seeking places) on the waiting list? If you blame the head (potentially unreasonably) why would you still want them to attend his school?

Najaf · 02/04/2020 12:25

@Zodlebud I agree i made a mistake. I agree there are parents trying to deceive. I had no idea about the 4 year rule. To me it was just another form that I was filling. I moved into the area not even knowing about the grammar schools, nor that my sons were even bright enough to get in!
if you look at the attached Sif form it states that "the school may require additional information if there are reasons for casting doubt on the accuracy or completeness if an application".

So Let's turn this around. If someone was to write that they moved into csp in July2019. The school see a discrepancy between the forms in February 2020. They can request further information and withdraw the place at this stage. Hence my question is why can they not address evidence in the same way? It's all part of a fair admissions process. I don't see why parents should not be alerted as part of a transparent process. Had I had been told straight away that the uxbridge address would have been used I'd have supplied the evidence of the old address instead of my current address.

Apologies for any spelling errors- covid19 vs trying to take care of 3 monkeys at the same time! Ugh! 🤦‍♀️🐒 🐒 🐒

Dr challoners headteacher
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LIZS · 02/04/2020 12:07

But can you evidence this, particularly in the light of your error? You effectively had 2 local addresses for 3 months, over the critical period for the application. Did you decline RGS, if so when?

Najaf · 02/04/2020 12:01

@LIZS that is incorrect. The LA will use the date that you cease using the address as a family home And when you move into a new home.

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