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Appealing on anxiety grounds - advice please!

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Pebblecat33 · 08/03/2020 11:05

My daughter has just missed out on her first choice secondary school. The second choice is also a great school so the issue isn’t the school itself. The issue is that all of her close friends and even her wider circle have all been placed at the preferred school and she is devastated as she feels completely cut off.

My daughter has been having anxiety type issues for the last year. We have been mostly managing these at home and thought she was getting better but this has been a massive set back. She has been referred for tests and counselling by our GP and is seeing a counsellor at school.

We are just getting our heads around the appeals process and whether or not we even stand a chance. Any advice please?

Some facts -

We are currently 8th on the waiting list
Oversubscription is distance only, we are 4.3metres outside (!)
The late submission deadline is Friday 13th March, this could move us up or down the list
We live in the north-west corner of a housing estate, in the north-west corner of a community, in the north-west corner of the town! The school in question is more or less centrally located so the catchment area has geographically cut us off from most of the community. North and west of us is pretty much fields and farms.

Any hope?

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PanelChair · 08/03/2020 21:33

Of course the appeal panel will want every child to be safe, but what you would be saying (in effect) is that no child should be expected to go to the allocated school because it’s in a high crime area. The reason that won’t get you very far at appeal is because it’s an argument against the allocated school and you need to be making arguments in favour of the preferred school. In addition, it’s not clear that this applies to your child any more than it does to other children, including the hundreds already attending the school. So, mention this if you feel strongly about it but don’t make it the main plank of your appeal.

Pebblecat33 · 08/03/2020 21:15

Thanks all

I still don’t understand why an appeal wouldn’t consider a child’s safety on their route to/from school as important but if that’s the way it is, that’s the way it is!

With regards to her anxiety, we first saw a GP ( we don’t actually have a consistent one as our local practise is unfortunately regularly staffed by locums!) last summer. At the time she had completely shut down, was pale, uncommunicative and was complaining that her heart was racing. Given that there are cardiac issues in the family and she denied that she was stressed/upset about anything they referred her for multiple tests and to a cardiologist. The tests came back clear but we had to wait 4 months for the cardiac referral. During the wait we got her to keep a diary of the heart stuff and she slowly started to improve. It was only when she improved that she finally opened up about the causes behind everything and we realised that it was anxiety. We cancelled the cardiologist as we no longer deemed it necessary and life moved on.

Since then we have kept a close watch for any similar symptoms or anything that might be worrying her. Other than the odd panic attack she’s been fine. Well she was until all this happened!

Following the school news she has slipped back into the same issues as last year. She’s constantly tearful, not sleeping and withdrawn. We saw a GP again a few days ago and went over the history. She’s been referred for tests again just to rule stuff out but this time they’ve also made a referral to CAMHS. Primary school has been fab and she’s started seeing the in school councillor as well

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Theresnobslikeshowb · 08/03/2020 21:03

You could always make an appointment now with the GP if her anxiety isn’t bad at present, explaining all the issues and worries so it’s documented. Then if you need further appointments as her anxiety is getting worse be sure to take her back so that it is documented.

PanelChair · 08/03/2020 20:31

I would focus on the anxiety and computer science/robotics points. I can understand your concern about personal safety, but the LEA is likely to take the line that the allocated school is an acceptable school, suitable to provide an education, and (presumably) the police are aware of local crime issues. Besides, you need to frame your arguments for the preferred school, not against the allocated school, so by all means mention this but don’t make it your main argument. Likewise, don’t dwell on the point about “as the crow flies” because that’s part of the admission arrangements and the panel can’t set it aside for one child. Mention it if you wish, but again don’t make it your main argument.

Mummyshark2018 · 08/03/2020 18:49

Definitely worth appealing but the anxiety grounds on itself without a medical diagnosis is weak. I work with children and I rarely meet any that wouldn't feel upset/ worried/ anxious about going to a different school from their friends. It's a normal emotion to have in these circumstances and I would re-frame it as such.

As a parent I too would be upset if I was in your position but given that it is unlikely that your appeal will be upheld (ime) I would try and support her to look at the positives and speak to the new school early on. They often have good transition plans and some schools offer activities over the summer where she could meet new friends. They may also set her up with a buddy to help in those early days.

Good luck and I hope it goes well. You probably have a better chance through the waiting list as people usually drop off it.

SW16 · 08/03/2020 18:35

The good news is that it sounds as if you have an excellent chance via waiting lists.

For the appeal, her interest in computer science and robotics is strong as long as you can demonstrate her activity hand involvement. Does she do her own stuff at home? Go to a club? What!

Ditto her anxiety. The thing here is that you need evidence not just that she suffers/ has suffered anxiety but that being with her friends has helped her to manage it.

The personal safety approach seems weak in appeal terms. Zillions of Yr7s start schools where they travel alone before they get to know people and many schools are in areas where phones get nicked etc.

The admissions process is based on upholding the published admissions criteria. They can’t start changing their own rules within an admissions year and ignore their distance policy. It would set a precedent that could cause no end of difficult. You might allude to it being unfortunate that the policy has left her in an a different position to her close friends in support of the anxiety case, but I can’t see it as the way to win on its own merits.

Pebblecat33 · 08/03/2020 17:46

Thanks, I’m starting to feel quite defeated by all this but we have to press and appeal, at the very least so that know we tried.

My current strategy (have been mulling this over all day) is to appeal on 4 aspects, I know some of these might carry little weight/be ignored but hopefully together they might just tip the balance.

  1. the anxiety issues, backed up by a letter from the GP and her teacher/school counsellor (if they are able to help). I’ve also considered witness statements from other parents, might not help but I don’t see the harm

  2. personal safety. There have been a few issues around the area lately with gangs, bike robberies, anti-social behaviour. We feel that travelling to/from school in a group is far safer than travelling alone, even it’s only for a few weeks it only takes one incident to put her in danger. Plus her anxiety impacts her ability to make decisions when it comes to road safety, etc. (We haven’t got any evidence of this but how could we?). I know most appeals don’t care about this stuff which I actually find quite odd but again I don’t see the harm

  3. she has a keen interest in computer sciences and robotics which this school offers as both part of the curriculum and as an enrichment activity. This is not available at allocated school

  4. the “crow flies” approach whilst seemingly fair and impartial is flawed as it doesn’t take into account the actual geography of the area. This years catchment area severs the top north west corner of our estate, from the area of the town that we live in. Isolating my child from her community (difficult to explain without a photograph but north and the west of our little corner is just fields basically). Again a long shot but might be worth a try.

How does that sound? Is there anything that is likely to do more harm than good?

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PanelChair · 08/03/2020 17:18

And yes, it is certainly worth identifying aspects of the preferred school - like the media and robotics provision - that match your daughter’s interests (especially if you can back that up by mentioning that she’s already involved in similar after school clubs or whatever).

PanelChair · 08/03/2020 17:13

This does sound tricky, because you’re in effect arguing that your daughter has a social/medical need for a place at this school and, for that, the panel will expect to see evidence from appropriate professionals. A letter from the primary school will probably (depending on the panel’s view) carry less weight, not least because headteachers are usually discouraged from weighing in to appeals. The issue here is keeping primary school friends together is not part of the admissions arrangements or oversubscription criteria so you need to present evidence of why it’s necessary and appropriate in your daughter’s case.

Pebblecat33 · 08/03/2020 12:03

Thanks for responding

I’m planning on asking the GP for a letter covering what’s in her notes for the last year but it’s tricky as most of the stuff we handled at home privately. We’ve only taken her to the doctors when it’s got really bad, so that’s a few appointments last summer (although at the time we initially thought she had a heart problem as her anxiety manifests itself as chest pains, loss of appetite, etc) and then again this last week.

I’m not sure if a letter from her primary school might help as they’ve commented many times on how shy she is, how her confidence is poor, and how important her friends are to her.

The school itself has had a legacy of good investment and has fantastic facilities, especially for computer science, media, robotics etc. The school she’s been placed at is more “up and coming” so isn’t in a position to offer those things at present. This is definitely her area of interest, but would that even carry weight? I’ve read loads of stuff online about appeals and they all advise to stay away from comparing schools on that basis. It’s a minefield!

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PanelChair · 08/03/2020 11:31

There is hope, although much will depend on what evidence you can submit from health care professionals. The panel will be looking for a statement that says clearly that in the health care professional’s opinion your DD is suffering from anxiety and will be helped by staying with her friends. Otherwise, statements from parents saying that their child wants to attend the same school is their friends carry little weight.

What else is there about the school - curriculum, clubs, pastoral care, whatever - that makes it a better fit for your DD?

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