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Shouldnt equal education be available to everyone?

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angell84 · 16/02/2020 23:20

I have just returned to the U.K. after a very long period abroad, and I am shocked at the school system in the U.K. I lived in another country where equal education was available to everyone.

Why do we have comprehensive, and independant and fee paying schools in the U.K? Why is better education given to those with money who can afford it? Shouldn't equal education be available to everyone?
The discrimination in education - is shocking in the U.K.

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purpleboy · 17/02/2020 00:51

It's life though isn't it?
People will always want what they can't have.
I don't agree anyone should be able to tell me what to spend my money on. I've worked very hard, long, antisocial hours and if I choose to put that hard earned money towards my children's education that's my business and no one else's.

angell84 · 17/02/2020 00:51

@Chloemol state schools are all equal in the country that I just left.

There are no league tables, which are another U.K . elitist thing.

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angell84 · 17/02/2020 00:49

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angell84 · 17/02/2020 00:48

Here is an article from the Guardian.

"Members of Britain’s elite, who hold the top jobs in politics, the judiciary, media and business, are five times more likely to have been to private school than the general population, according to research."

So, people in the most well paid jobs in he U.K. are five times more likely to have gone to private schools.

So people who can afford to go to private schools, get the best jobs in the country.

You think that's okay?

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JuanSheetIsPlenty · 17/02/2020 00:47

Oh I also pay for private therapy for my child with SEN above what the NHS will provide.

Chloemol · 17/02/2020 00:45

Op. You think we should do away with private schools ( which by the way all countries have, not just the uk). Often these schools do scholarships to help those that are bright but can’t afford

How are you going to equalise the education children get in state schools? That’s not equal now, and I bet wasn’t equal in whatever country you have just left. We have league tables, look them up and see the difference

Then let’s move onto higher education then, how are you going to make all universities equal? After all it’s all part of education, why should some have more standing that others?

The basic human right to education is met in this country it’s called state schools

If you don’t like it then please feel free to move back to wherever you were previously living, where I bet they had private schools, league table state schools and differences in the universities

Nofilter · 17/02/2020 00:45

@angell84 So because everyone cannot afford it no-one should have it?

I completely disagree with that. It makes you sound quite entitled tbh.

I went to state school as did everyone in my whole and extended family.. I've worked my ass of to save and send my DD to private school and am proud of myself for being able to do it.

Do you think your a bit bitter that you haven't been able to do this for your own kids?

JuanSheetIsPlenty · 17/02/2020 00:45

What about a family where the father walks out, and doesn't pay maintenance

How can that family possibly afford private education.

Ah! I’m glad you asked. This is my exact situation. How I manage it is I work very hard and forego any sort of social life, hobbies, luxuries or vices for myself to pay for private tuition, private music tuition, extra swimming lessons (above what the school provides), sports coaching and also some hobbies.

HarrietSchulenberg · 17/02/2020 00:44

I don't believe that a private education is a better education, TBH. What it does offer are smaller class sizes and higher expectations of pupils' aspirations. It also offers the chance to mix with children of a certain income bracket.

The teaching staff in private schools are no better quality than their counterparts in state education and in my experience are often not as dedicated or determined.

angell84 · 17/02/2020 00:43

@cendrillonsings It sometimes astounds me that people think that the U.K. System is normal, when it is one of the most elitist systems in the world.

That is the benefit of living abroad and coming back, it helped me see how absolutely awful it is.

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JuanSheetIsPlenty · 17/02/2020 00:42

^II. Compulsory Education in England and Wales
In addition to the right to education being provided for by the Human Rights Act, the Education Act 1996 places a legal duty on the parent or guardian of a child aged five to sixteen years (known as compulsory school age), to ensure that the child attends and receives full-time education, either in a traditional school or by any other means that is appropriate for their age, ability, and aptitude, taking into account any special needs they may have.^

www.loc.gov/law/help/constitutional-right-to-an-education/englandandwales.php

CendrillonSings · 17/02/2020 00:41

I think that private schools should be totally abolished, and that children also should not take exams to get into different secondary schools.

The entire system should be equalised.

Er, no, because we don’t live in a fucking communist country. You may not know this, but the far left just got crushed in a landslide, so it’s simply not going to happen.

angell84 · 17/02/2020 00:38

@Nofilter not all people have the option! What about a family where the father walks out, and doesn't pay maintenence.

How can that family possibly afford private education.

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JuanSheetIsPlenty · 17/02/2020 00:37

the right to EQUAL education is not available to all.

Because it’s not a right that exists.

JuanSheetIsPlenty · 17/02/2020 00:37

But the child, very pointedly knows, that he has been segregated into a "poor school"

Except we don’t either think of or refer to them as “poor schools” Hmm I’m not sure the snobbery is coming from the people you accredit it to.

Nofilter · 17/02/2020 00:36

Parents do have the option of working hard and making the money to pay for a private education?

angell84 · 17/02/2020 00:35

@mumto2two the right to EQUAL education is not available to all.

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Mumto2two · 17/02/2020 00:34

The right to education IS provided to all. As is the right to choose how you spend your money Hmm

Ginfordinner · 17/02/2020 00:32

I think your views have been coloured by the limited circle you move in. In my county there are no state grammar schools, and only a small handful of private schools. Most children go to a state comprehensive, some of which are very good.

DD went to a state comprehensive, achieved excellent GCSE results and AAA at A level. I doubt that she would have done any better in private education.

You will find that some private schools are better than others, some state schools are better than others and some state schools are better than some private schools. Schools aren't all equal anywhere.

And no-one talks about what school they went to.

Lalala205 · 17/02/2020 00:31

And how does that work out for them? Different classes based on ability are there to ensure the top and bottom abilities don't suffer as a result. The majority of children in education are 'middle of the road', they'll generally coast along regardless. But the middle road means those that are above/below that threshold miss out. Children who struggle with schoolwork are predominately penalised because they then 'act out', and are removed from classes and labelled 'naughty'. They're generally very far from that, they just can't cope with the work set so become bored or frustrated, and embarrassed in front of their peers. To me that's not a fairer system.

angell84 · 17/02/2020 00:31

@Summerisdone okay lets take it that you agree with the Education system as it is. And lets look at it in comparison to the health care system.

At a young age, a child will feel "different" and "leas than", for going to a school not as good as some one else.

At a young age, a child does not know if another child is using the NHS, or if their parents have health insurance.

But the child, very pointedly knows, that he has been segregated into a "poor school" because he cannot afford a better schools.

What effect does this have on the child's self esteem and well being?

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JuanSheetIsPlenty · 17/02/2020 00:31

So the country you came from OP- they banned home schooling, private tutoring, online study?

JuanSheetIsPlenty · 17/02/2020 00:29

you do know that most other countries do not have as many private schools as the U.K?

I’m not sure how this is relevant to your question. Confused

“Shouldnt equal education be available to everyone?”

Which people have answered- it is.

(I note you haven’t thanked anyone who has been kind enough with their time to answer your question. Just the one poster who has agreed with your complaint.)

you seem to just be saying “wahhh- me no like it here”

attatiti · 17/02/2020 00:28

Which country have you moved from?

Summerisdone · 17/02/2020 00:26

So what would you do about people who choose to pay for extra tuition? According to your argument, any form of extra which must be paid for means it's not equal, so do you also believe all private tutoring should be banned along with private schools? It's the very same principle.
Every child has an equal education available to them (except for those with SEN but that's a separate argument), however some parents choose not to take what is on offer and instead pay for extra. Isn't it the very same with health and dental care though? We all have the same care available, but some can afford to pay privately and will therefore receive different care, which is often (though not always) of a higher standard.