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Ds doesn’t seem prepared for 11+

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mummy2aPrince09 · 22/11/2019 03:28

Hi everyone, I’ve been reading loads of posts but this is my first ever time posting!

My ds is sitting exams in January and in practice exams he doesn’t seem to get more than 60-70% and I’m getting super worried.

We have applied to Hampton, upper Latymer, Highgate, merchant Taylors and Habs.
Back up schools are reeds school and last choice Epsom but don’t really want ds in school 6 day’s.

What my worry is that with all the competition his scores aren’t enough to get him through, especially his English.

He was in a state school until last November and only joined in prep last year in year 5, he’s in the middle sets in maths and bottom in English.

I have weekly tutor but progress is so slow and time is running out.
The school says he’s really bright but needed that extra attention and the curriculum was different in state school so he needs time to catch up, but the issue is we don’t have that much time to get him to the 90% mark.

My question is that is it still possible to get in with 70%?
If he doesn’t get through do we get a chance of being on a waiting list? He is working hard but is also an Xbox addict which distracts him. Please advice me as I’m having sleepless nights and super worried!

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XelaM · 22/11/2019 21:18

If you're applying to Habs why not Aldenham? Have you missed the application deadline (not sure when it is). But both schools are so close to each other and Aldenham is such an amazing school with lots of facilities and they also push very academic kids, but are less selective in the entrance exam.

Gingercat1223 · 22/11/2019 16:36

Epsom isn't Saturday school for years 7 & 8. All the schools listed have sport on a Saturday that you have to attend if you are in a team.

daisypond · 22/11/2019 16:11

Sorry, cross posted. Apply for a state school, really, even if it is a late application. Do you mean you’re in Acton? Loads of children that I know who went to not great (by repute) secondaries still ended up doing really well and going off to top universities.

LIZS · 22/11/2019 16:08

Also think you need to narrow down your applications - 6 sets of exams and interviews is a lot.

LIZS · 22/11/2019 16:07

Iirc at Epsom the long hours and Saturdays are spent on homework and sport so less time outside required for those. Also check that their year 7 & 8 is same hours as college as it is relatively new and was set up to capture those not in a 13+ prep, so may be less.

daisypond · 22/11/2019 16:04

Are you still in SW London? I know children who were at Ashcroft and did exceedingly well there. There are lots of great state comprehensive schools, not grammars, around. Did you apply?

mummy2aPrince09 · 22/11/2019 16:00

@XelaM thank you, he is a sweetheart, opens doors for me, helps me in the car, Carries my bags for me when we go out, etc.

Unfortunately we have missed the deadline for states which I’m gutted about, and being in action at the moment we don’t have any great states nearby.

The only past papers he’s getting 90% on is the Epsom college and that has Saturday school and Long hours, not sure if he’ll like that. He does enjoy is screen time and loves his after school sports! Big fan of sports and a part of a football team in his school and in a Saturday league.

Anyone have any other school options in the north or west that are at the same or similar tier as Epsom?

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PatienceVirtue · 22/11/2019 15:59

It's not impossible to do a state application for secondary. He'd count as a late application, but post March 31st he'll be in the mix and there are huge amounts of movement for secondary schools. One of mine went from getting offered 5th choice, then 4th, then 2nd and finally our completely-aspirational-never-get-a-place first choice.

Gingercat1223 · 22/11/2019 15:56

@mummy2aPrince09 , it sounds like Reeds might be a good bet because if it's assistance programme, have you spoken to the admissions team at length? Also the new style exam this year will be new to everyone so an equal playing field. He can also get there on the train & walk from the station & you could either live in Surrey or at a point on the train line out of London.
If he is bright Epsom sounds like a possible, you must have registered by now, the lower school looks very nurturing & home like,
I would hesitate at Hampton, most of the intake at 11 is from the state sector or preps that stop at 11 but it's not a school for the faint hearted, it's very full on from day 1 - they select ds who thrive in that environment & I feel their open day reflects this.
PM me if you want more info on these 3 schools.

XelaM · 22/11/2019 14:45

Honestly your son sounds like such a sweetheart that you need to take a deep breath and take it easier on yourself and him.

If he's so bright that he recently passed tye prep school entrance exam and the head recommended he applied to all those academic schools then he's done really well. My daughter has been at a prep school since reception (now year 5) and her head recommended we tried some less academic schools than Habs and Highgate for her Grin so you should be very proud of your son. As for the recent move to prep, you did what you thought was best for your son, so don't kick yourself.

Anyway, plenty of kids fail to get into grammars nut pass the super- selective independent tests as less kids sit them. But just in case as a backup (and since you are pretty flexible) can you not try to move closer to a great comprehensive like Fortismere?

Schoolchoicesucks · 22/11/2019 13:36

X posted, sorry.

Did you apply for state where you now live?

Schoolchoicesucks · 22/11/2019 13:36

Have you applied for a state school place as a back up?
I don't know the prep/private system at all but just feeling for your son who was doing well in state and now seems to be struggling with the 11+ pressures and bursary requirements. What were the reasons for moving him out of state system for a short period?

mummy2aPrince09 · 22/11/2019 13:33

School has suggested to applying to:
Hampton
Merchant
Epsom
Reeds
Emanuel

We had a great state near us in Putney where all the children went after the primary, Ashcroft Technology Academy and I still kick myself in moving him to the prep, but in a parents meeting they told me he’s quite bright and doesn’t always get the support he needs as we are busy with the ones needed more support. They told me I should look into grammer schools for him but we don’t prepare for 11+ here and that’s when I made some calls... he gave a small exam in the prep and for the full bursary, we then moved closer and now it’s impossible to get back in time to put his name for the state.

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mummy2aPrince09 · 22/11/2019 13:26

Also, boarding is not an option as he’s very very homesick and I tried sending him to sleepovers, school trips but ds gets very emotional and there were times we had to go and collect him at midnight 🤨

His prep school is only up till year 6 so we HAVE to move school.... would’ve been great if we had till year 8!

I was told by the head to apply for more schools because I’m on a bursary at prep and have to apply for a bursary place for secondary too so it’s not only the exam results that are a worry.

Sorry about bombarding everyone with my stress!

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SurpriseSparDay · 22/11/2019 13:23

If he is doing well at the prep and you can afford it I would be inclined to keep him there to 13.

If you had posted this a year ago I would have suggested strongly that you look into boarding. Assuming you don’t have a really huge income, your circumstances would have put you at the head of any queue for a large bursary (up to 100%).

What does your prep school primarily prepare for - 11+ or 13+ / Common Entrance?

daisypond · 22/11/2019 13:20

Why did you move him from state to private? Are you set on him going to a private school for secondary? Why? How did you pick the schools you did?

mummy2aPrince09 · 22/11/2019 13:13

Hi everyone thanks for your messages.
So here is the situation...
We are renting and contract ends in Feb next year and we can move.

In CATS ds scores 126 in vr
123 in quantities
118vin non vr
89 in spatial

The spatial was below average which bought his whole average score lower.

He does the most silly mistakes I’ve ever seen in an a exam. About 10-15% is sill mistakes.

He is also a registered young carer to me as I’m a disable single mum so it’s not an easy situation for little man.

I think his confidence got bit of a wobble from being at the top in state and then low in private.

13+ I believe would be harder to get into... more subject to think about?

I look forward to more replies :)

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PatienceVirtue · 22/11/2019 11:43

You seem to have applied to a lot of schools and ones that are geographically diverse. Can you not narrow it down a bit? I know it's tempting to throw a lot of applications at the wall but I think you're compromising his chances if you overload him.

In answer to your original question, over the Christmas holidays my son was doing terribly at the English papers for the North London ones we applied for (one of which you are too). I don't know exact marks because I was marking them myself a bit haphazardly. At least he's getting 80%+ in the maths, I thought (dh's domain). Then dh fessed that he was doing badly in those too, he was just lying about the score to make son feel better.

Anyway, by January, he must have improved or the standard was lower as he did really well. Mind you, it was only three exams which I'm sure helped.

SurpriseSparDay · 22/11/2019 11:27

You’re very gracious Hepsibar!Halloween Blush

It’s true there are countless good independent schools outside London - but if the OPs son is in yr6 they will probably have missed the registration dates for pre-tests for most full boarding schools. Applying to this sort of school is a huge commitment in time, energy, organisation and money (going forward). Some people do apply simultaneously to day and boarding schools - but it’s not really feasible as a last minute thing.

Schools with flexi or weekly boarding may have shorter application processes - I don’t know.

Hepsibar · 22/11/2019 11:03

Oh, ok, thanks for the clarification. I was just thinking that if an independent further away, weekly boarding might not be poss.

I am not so sure that the application process is closed and there are many good independent schools outside London who offer differing boarding arrangements which might be worth exploring.

SurpriseSparDay · 22/11/2019 09:54

(Full boarding means compulsory exeats at least every three weeks, generally more often.)

SurpriseSparDay · 22/11/2019 09:52

Could he board at a country independent school where there might be less pressure to get in

Going home half termly?

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Going home half termly doesn’t happen anywhere! If the OP wanted full boarding it’s almost certainly too late for her to begin the application process for the handful of traditional public schools that offer this. If she wanted weekly boarding ...

Hepsibar · 22/11/2019 09:41

Firstly, want to say your son is likely to be the most marvellous little person whatever he achieves and you are a wonderfully supportive mum. It's so easy at prep/primary to be so over anxious about results, but the reality is he is likely to do well wherever he goes. He must have a very lovely temperament to put up with all this pushing!

Are you able to consider a different option for him? Could he board at a country independent school where there might be less pressure to get in, but good academic achievements? Going home half termly? Are there any really good comps around? You dont want to set him up as a failure, hawking him around the hideous grammar system.

Good luck, he will be ok.

LIZS · 22/11/2019 09:25

Are you planning to move as that looks geographically spread out. Would the Whitgift schools be an option for 13+? Ewell Castle although coed now (are you hoping for boys only?) is less selective.

XelaM · 22/11/2019 09:23

Habs, Highgate and MT have some of the most difficult entrance exams of all the selective independent schools. Try to get in by all means, but also have a "safety school" that's less selective.

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