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English isn’t a Real Subject

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noblegiraffe · 30/08/2019 15:19

Just saw this on twitter and thought it was interesting. As a maths teacher, I teach what is on the syllabus, and that’s what the exam is on. They won’t need matrices (not taught at GCSE but appears on Further Maths) to answer anything on the GCSE paper and they won’t get any more marks if they do use matrices.

From the twitter thread: “It’s just mad to expect English teachers to cover the whole of anglocentric knowledge, which they need to do for kids who are new to it.”

So you can’t get high level success in English unless you have a huge range of general knowledge?

What do English teachers think?

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Musmerian · 30/08/2019 16:09

I recently got involved in a twitter thread where an English teacher said she hated reading, found it really boring and only read one or two books a year. She then got very indignant when I challenged this and claimed it wouldn’t improve her teaching if she read more books! I’ve been an English teacher for 25 years as PPs have said there’s a new breed of teachers who are pretty bullish about their views. English is very different to teach than a subject about which some pupils will have very little previous info or knowledge- that’s why I love it. It is then also problematic because articulate well read students will do better.

Piggywaspushed · 30/08/2019 16:00

Oh dear, that AI stuff is proper neurobollocks.

Piggywaspushed · 30/08/2019 15:58

But (despite what is said I have now looked at his feed) , looking back it is possible he is actually an English teacher, or maybe history.

Seriously, though, who puts on their Twitter bio the schools they went to when they were 5??

This THIS is why I can't stand that bunch of supercilious know alls. (although he seems the be saying something about not knowing all,; I have to say I think his point is unclear, if he has one)

AQA are cracking me up, though, with their suggestion hat some year 11s had a grasp of aesthetics, which they evidenced somehow in a comprehension paper. In other words, they liked the show offs!

gwilt · 30/08/2019 15:57

This does have some truth in it, e.g. the assumption that all Y11 students understand all references to archaic items/vocabulary, particularly in 19th century and early 20th century texts (Language or Literature).

An example might be intertextual references or biblical allusions in 19th century novels and non-fiction.

This can affect their ability to understand and/or see the subtleties or implications in a text.

Some people refer to this as 'cultural capital', i.e. the body of Anglocentric general knowledge which people acquire to different degrees as they grow up.

DaydreamInBlue · 30/08/2019 15:57

I couldn’t believe it when looking at A levels, entry requirements for Maths A level is usually at least a 7 at gcse (occasionally 6) , for English it’s a 4.
I was stunned.

noblegiraffe · 30/08/2019 15:53

Oh he’s now involved with this outfit mobile.twitter.com/Up_Learn

Wonder if he is pissed off that AI and neuroscience can’t beat reading a lot of books to get you an A* in English?

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Piggywaspushed · 30/08/2019 15:47

He taught at Michaela!!

noblegiraffe · 30/08/2019 15:47

So English is an exam in cultural capital?
I haven’t seen any English papers since I sat them, how does this manifest itself?

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Piggywaspushed · 30/08/2019 15:46

I can't actually be bothered to look up the Teach First Arsewipe who wrote the Tweet : what is his subject?

I do think AQA are trying to desperately to please the Knowledge crowd and sound all trendy with that bit of the report. backfires slightly when they start banging on about not using long words (or even quite short ones)

Babdoc · 30/08/2019 15:43

NaughtToThree, on a point of English, it should be “you’re” in an English speaking country, not “your”, in your post!
Pedantic? Hell, yes! (Autistic ex grammar school pupil...)

Piggywaspushed · 30/08/2019 15:43

But, yeah, it's why maths is easier Wink

don't kill me noble

Piggywaspushed · 30/08/2019 15:43

Isn't that just the whole knowledge curriculum and cultural capital thing again?

Yes, you do better in English if you know stuff, definitely. But, as I am always saying to my whiny year 10 girls, I know so much stuff BECAUSE I read books!

noblegiraffe · 30/08/2019 15:38

No, Naught, the examiner’s report seems to be suggesting that you will do better in the exam if you know loads of stuff that isn’t on the syllabus. Which seems a bit unfair.

I guess it’s why English isn’t generally taken early by geniuses in the same way that maths is.

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NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 30/08/2019 15:37

Sorry you think English teachers teach loads of stuff that's not on the syllabus??
Where do they get the time to do that??

EBearhug · 30/08/2019 15:34

It’s just mad to expect English teachers to coverthe whole of anglocentric knowledge, which they need to do for kids who are new to it.

This would be true, but they don't teach everything - like maths, they teach what's on the syllabus. Having a wide general knowledge may be helpful to any subject, but it's not a necessity. Also, you can take GCSE English as a second language.

(I am not an English teacher, though.)

noblegiraffe · 30/08/2019 15:29

Sorry, forgot to link to the twitter thread. English isn’t a Real Subject is their title, not mine! twitter.com/j_asht/status/1167205829457698817?s=21

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NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 30/08/2019 15:26

Ahh the underline was want to e a strike through

NaughtToThreeSadOnions · 30/08/2019 15:25

Errr you won't get a qualification in well anything without English (If your in an an English speaking country) so by your own flawed logic it's every other subject that's not a real subject and English that's the purist subject.

Because you don't actually need any thing to teach English or learn it. You do need English to teach and learn maths.

What do you teach your mathematics in? Runes? Or do you use English