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More money for teachers plus stricter discipline in schools - Tory leak

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noblegiraffe · 27/08/2019 19:27

A government document leaked today suggests plans for pay rises for teachers and support for stronger discipline in schools including mobile phone bans. The exemption for outstanding schools from the Ofsted inspection cycle will also be lifted.

There may be concerns about the mention of the use of ‘reasonable force’ as part of disciplinary measures. This is likely to simply be a restatement that yes, teachers are allowed to restrain violent pupils.

www.theguardian.com/education/2019/aug/27/leaked-documents-reveal-tories-dramatic-plans-for-schools

Nothing there seems particularly dramatic, it just shows Dom Cummings is back in charge continuing the Gove era policies.

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noblegiraffe · 30/08/2019 19:19

There’s a guy Mark McCourt who has taken that on - he’s set up a program called Complete Maths which is a fully resourced maths curriculum, powerpoints, worksheets, tests, exams plus lesson plans and notes on common misconceptions and how to teach each topic.

He’s done this explicitly to support non-specialists in teaching maths. It costs £££ but I imagine if you’re saving money on hiring qualified maths teachers it’s a good investment.

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Piggywaspushed · 30/08/2019 19:14

Must get that, though with all the PE teachers ...sometimes...

noblegiraffe · 30/08/2019 19:13

I guess subject knowledge is just a given in maths. If you’ve got a teacher who can’t multiply fractions you’ve got bigger problems than them using someone else’s powerpoint to teach it!

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Piggywaspushed · 30/08/2019 18:58

English textbooks have always been a bit shit.

I really notice this in film : lots of no specialist teachers who just want someone else's subject knowledge.

We quite famously had an NQT who had to check whether Shakespeare was Victorian.... and another one who teaches that Macbeth is Elizabethan (not an NQT). this sort of thing is explicitly tested in English. I guess you could argue that if it's on a ppt the teacher won't get it wrong, but the knowledge needs to be at the fingertips.

Subject knowledge is definitely becoming an increasing issue with the decline of academic calibre of trainees....

I agree you also need to know how to transmit it, but I think, some great books on English teaching aside, this is less complex and more obvious/ same as it was in school in English.

noblegiraffe · 30/08/2019 18:13

You can have all the subject knowledge in the world but if you don’t have the pedagogical knowledge about how best to transmit it to the kids, you are fucked.

Quite happy for trainees to be googling for powerpoints that will help them sequence the teaching of solving simultaneous equations (or whatever). It’s not like we have quality textbooks to help with this any more.

Certainly if I’m teaching a new A-level topic I’ll look at how other people approach teaching it rather than starting from scratch.

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Piggywaspushed · 30/08/2019 18:03

Thank you!

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BelindasGleeTeam · 30/08/2019 17:45

Another teachertapper hello!

I agree totally with that article. My student teacher last year really struggled to get to grips with lesson design that wasn't based on someone else's PowerPoint.

I made them by the end do tech free lesson other than a board, the visualiser and pens.

Piggywaspushed · 30/08/2019 16:46

Interesting article on the reification of the 'resource' on TeacherTapp today coincidentally. Have no idea how to copy and paste it..
But basically, yes, says subject knowledge is being eroded.

cauliflowersqueeze · 30/08/2019 14:46

piggy

I am in a Facebook group for teachers and many new entrants really do not expect to plan anything.

Absolutely. There are quite a few trainees we have had whose idea of planning is typing in the topic they are teaching into the TES resources and just printing out the first thing they find, regardless of age, appropriacy, level.

Fifthtimelucky · 30/08/2019 14:41

TAs need to be well trained, but they also need to be well used. A good friend used to be a TA in a primary school and had some depressing stories about how she was used by some teachers. As an example, for a certain number of hours she supported a particular child on a 1:1 basis. If the child was absent, she'd ask the teacher what they wanted her to do instead. She was often told just to sit quietly at the back of the class. Such a waste of a resource.

ChloeDecker · 30/08/2019 11:16

I also laughed at the comment re TA getting in the way.

I’m sure people also have anecdotes about awful TAs too, to be fair. The main issue is having the funding to have well trained TAs, where they are needed and that they are not pushed about due to funding proposals. Something has to give and I hope it isn’t the TAs.

Personally, I couldn’t give a toss about any pay rises unless they come from a separate budget. Where I would like the money to go is on school buildings, specialist staff, resources and the correct support for all pupils. The problem currently is that a ‘pay rise’ makes for a good sound bite but when it has to come from already low existing budgets, it doesn’t help (as an experienced teacher, my school didn’t pass on the last ‘pay rise’ to us)

ChloeDecker · 30/08/2019 11:08

I remember people talking fondly about Estelle Morris but to be honest, can’t remember anything about her. I just think it is too big a beast to ever make a decent positive dent in improving things, pessimist that I am.

youarenotkiddingme · 30/08/2019 11:08

The use of reasonable force document was updated in July. (Or maybe June).

Schools and teaching staff/admin staff etc have a duty if care to safeguard.

Reasonable force is pretty much what a parent does. It sickens me that if a child was about to run Into a main road and a teacher grabbed them and pulled them back - a parent will complain. Because I'd bet my life the parent would react the same way. Same as separating fighting siblings, stopping them injuring themselves in a kitchen etc.

What the HT did above is not reasonable force. That was using force for power and control.

I also laughed at the comment re TA getting in the way. In a local special school and new teacher made a comment to his TA basically saying they were a hinderance and he didn't really need them. (When truth was they were far more knowledgable about the pupils and special ed than he was).
They then all 'happened' to have a sickness bug that lasted 5 days all at the same time.
Things had gone tits up 2 hours into day 1.
Fantastic HT smelt a rat.
He never made those comments again - although the attitude remained.
He's currently being managed out

Piggywaspushed · 30/08/2019 10:53

Yes, Ruth was a disappointment and , frankly, odd

Who was the last truly OK ed sec?

Piggywaspushed · 30/08/2019 10:47

There are lots of shared resources in both my subjects...and they are free , mainly but many need huge quality controlling first( lots are shit). I also enjoy planning, and teach subjects where teacher individuality is precious and endangered. I don't want everyone teaching the same texts to the same PowerPoint presentations. I'd rather endless assessing for data gathering and the concomitant marking demands were addressed. But someone has told the government that teachers spend most if their time planning. If they can reduce this, build in so called no marking policies, can we perhaps see a point at which they can say we need less planning time??

I am in a Facebook group for teachers and many new entrants really do not expect to plan anything.

ChloeDecker · 30/08/2019 10:42

since Ruth Kelly, anyway

I’ll never forgive Ruth’s mass cull of PRUs and specialist schools, whilst making sure her own son’s specialist school stayed open in Tower Hamlets for just enough time that he was able to get his education. Then even that one went ‘poof’ Angry

ChloeDecker · 30/08/2019 10:39

We don’t all have a lovely Mr Barton equivalent, sadly! Wish we did. Have spent so much of my own money on activity resources in there past Sad. Was extremely grateful to mrbartonmaths when I’ve had to teach KS3 as part of my timetable before.

However, when I first started teaching ICT back in the day, Tony Blair had commissioned a set of resources (yes, lots of powerpoints, Piggy!) for the then KS3 ICT Curriculum and I would rather eat my own feet than have something so prescriptive and dull again (Pat’s Poor Presentation, anyone!?)

habibihabibi · 30/08/2019 10:33

Most don't even actually want restraint in schools
I don't want pupils in my class who need restraint. Being inclusive should still mean excluding those who endanger others.

noblegiraffe · 30/08/2019 10:21

Teaching more flexible = stop making it so difficult for teachers to be part time

Sharing resources - as a maths teacher I’ve got access to excellent free resources on every topic in the curriculum. I assumed this was true for all teachers, but when I tried to find some phonics stuff for my kids online, you had to pay for pretty much everything. Why do maths teachers share and other teachers don’t?

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Piggywaspushed · 30/08/2019 07:45

What do we think these things mean?

However he did mention “the need to make teaching a more flexible profession” and talked about “sharing resources so planning of lessons can be made more straightforward,” Mr Barton said.

Is this teaching by PPT?

Piggywaspushed · 30/08/2019 07:42

I wonder this, too! I assumed it was after they had children, and she perhaps wanted to cut back working hours, given Gav must spend considerable time away from home. I reckon it is the closest we'll get to an Ed Sec actually knowing anything about the job (since Ruth Kelly, anyway). But if we think Gav is pulling the strings, I think we are deluded...

cauliflowersqueeze · 30/08/2019 00:31

Interesting.

Why did his wife change from being a teacher to being a TA?

noblegiraffe · 29/08/2019 23:22

Gavin Williamson’s wife was a teacher, she’s NOW A TA.

So that leak went down well in the Williamson household Grin

www.tes.com/news/new-education-secretary-shows-unusual-empathy-tas

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Piggywaspushed · 29/08/2019 21:20

I agree. The government will pay lip service to this issue, no doubt.

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