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LA is bulling me to put daughter in lower year

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NinaKKjones · 30/07/2019 11:27

I really am desperate for advice,
After a relocation due to a forced move i applied to the local school for a place for my daughter for year 10 it was now March 2019 (year 10 start date was Sept 18).
The school did-not see us untill early May and then REFUSED her a place, did not offer an appeal .
I contacted the LA for help they advised there was no other schools in the area they would ask school to reconsider.
We have now reached July no one has any concern as to school missed and im freaking out .
The LA send me an email to say that The school will offer her a place but in year 9, and i HAVE TO ACCEPT IT NO APPEAL ALLOWED.
And if i dont force my daughter to face this public humiliation i will be prosecuted.

Does any one know where i stand have made a complaint but the LA seem to think despite it proven to be damaging to a child this is acceptable.
No where to turn and still no school place

I have tried out of school areas colleges even looked at how i could fund paying

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RageAgainstTheVendingMachine · 01/08/2019 13:29

Unless she tells them, they aren't likely to know her age, she won't stand out and no-one will actually care. If anything she has a much better chance of fitting in with new social groups as options means groups will be split from year 9 rather than her joining a pre-existing group which might be closely bonded/have cliques already.

I am sorry for you, that you are disappointed, especially with her not getting placed after Easter.
Having done an in-year transfer myself I was told to expect at least 20 working days to process so I am not wholly surprised.
But you still have not answered any questions wrt coursework components and exam boards...there is no getting away from the fact your move was not viable if they use a different exam board or only a few instead of 8.

Comefromaway · 01/08/2019 13:21

Even if the school had accepted her after Easter she would still have been best off gong into a year below unless she was lucky enough to find a school that not only did the exact same subjects with option columns but also chose all the exact same set texts/history periods/RS combinations etc etc.

It is geerally considered that January of Year 10 is the LAST possible time to move your child and even then it usually means dropped subjects/a lot of catching up. Anyhting after that means you can pretty much say goodbye to good GCSE results.

My dd did GCSE's last year and my son will do them next year. Year 10 is a crucial year. Most of the syllabus will be finished by Christmas when mocks will start and then it will be consolidation and exam practice.

NinaKKjones · 01/08/2019 13:15

Yes your right its not public humiliation to me or you

My daughter finished her old school easter holidays 2019 The new schools was applied to hoping to start after easter hoildays . School refused to admit her NO SCHOOL EVEN MISSED AT THIS POINT !!!!!!!!

Why does no one argue the fact that if the only school in the area had accepted her and offered her a place on receipt of my application she would of only missed max 2 weeks work .

And yes your all right and i do agree i would love her to start it all fresh from the beginning again ,
But i have a daughter whos weeks off 16 who feels it actually is a public humiliation
who feels that she always tried hard and worked hard and feels like this is a punishment
who is the one that will always be whatever the kids choose to label her as .

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Tableclothing · 01/08/2019 13:15

I think your dd would be better off going into y10. The idea that she will somehow cope with a y11 workload, in a new school, while 'blending in' and simultaneously catching up on everything she missed in year 10 is... implausible. It is making life 10x harder for herself. It is a bad idea.

Alwaysgrey · 01/08/2019 13:15

In my experience LAs do not like giving money out that they don’t have to. If your dd has missed most of year 10 and you’ve moved and she could potentially be taking exams that she has barely had any teaching on especially if the boards are different she may end up with low grades. If the LA though it would be cheaper they could easily shove your dd into year 11 without much thought whereas they’re giving her a decent chance. Have you talked to the school in question to see if any of her studies match up to their boards? My youngest is in a specialist school and is staying in the same year group and class. It doesn’t bother me. My main concern is her getting the best education possible.

xyzandabc · 01/08/2019 13:12

I think your referring to year 9 places is confusing the matter. You were offered a year 9 place in July, so before the end if the school year ended. Meaning your DD will start year 10 in September. If I understand correctly. So 1 year behind her actual age.

Working in a secondary school, that would absolutely be the right thing to do in my opinion. Even if she had completed the whole of year 10 at her previous school (which your DD hasn't), unless I had looked at the exam board, set texts, syllabus, content already taught, at both schools and spoken with subject heads for every single subject and satisfied myself that both schools were exactly the same in everything, I would not start her in year 11 at a new school.

As pp have said, it's not fair on her to expect her to sit exams where she has only been taught half the course.

Oliversmumsarmy · 01/08/2019 13:08

I think you have just proved the point.

Interested to know why you think your child can do 5 terms work in 8 subjects in 2 terms.

What your child did in year 10 in her previous school will be somewhat irrelevant

Can I ask why you moved at such a crucial point if you were keen on your child staying in her year group and are not considering he

BitOftheSea · 01/08/2019 13:05

Are you in a very rural location? In all but the most rural areas there will be another school she can travel to. Why did the school ‘refuse’ your initial application? Was that application made through the local authority? Why couldn’t you appeal?

PatriciaHolm · 01/08/2019 13:04

But they do appear to be following the guidelines and doing what is best for her. That's the point.

That's just not what you want, but putting her into year 11 in September when she has to all intents and purposes missed year 10 is madness and will lead to a very poor set of exam results.

The fact she is a bright kid and did some of year 10 somewhere else is irrelevant, as she won't have been doing the same exam boards and covering the content in the same order and timeframe as the new school.

They are suggesting a solution which is likely to save her GCSES. Your idea would ruin them.

RageAgainstTheVendingMachine · 01/08/2019 13:03

I understand what you are saying but a year 11 placement would not be in your child's best interests if she has coursework missing or her coursework is not valid for that school...unless you can categorically say all her coursework has been completed to a satisfactory standard and you know the new school has the same exam boards then what exactly do you expect the LA to do? Hire one teacher solely for the purposes of teaching your child for an exam board no-one else is doing?

titchy · 01/08/2019 13:00

If you fight for her to be admitted into year 11 she will be a year behind - what she did for a couple of terms in her old school will almost certainly not be what this school taught. The effect of that will be that your child will end up with shit grade GCSEs. Now if you and her aren't particularly interested in education, think school is a waste of time, are happy to live a life of minimum wage jobs topped up with benefits, then fine.

If however she has any sense of ambition at all, you will be doing her a massive disservice. Most people who value education would be snapping their hand off - local authorities are usually VERY unhappy about funding a child for an extra year.This one sounds brilliant, and the school is acting in her best educational interests.

Be the grown up and see this as a fantastic opportunity for your child to not have their education fucked up by whatever circumstances led to this situation, rather than going all teenagery with that attitude,.

GrammarTeacher · 01/08/2019 12:59

So, you want your daughter to sit exams she won't have had the majority of the teaching for why?

NinaKKjones · 01/08/2019 12:58

wrong child

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NinaKKjones · 01/08/2019 12:56

This is my point and the one and only point
We have guide lines whether we agree with them or not
Whats the point if their not followed

Gov policies Placement of pupils outside their normal age group

Guidance v3.6

Making decisions on placement outside the normal age group
The Admissions Code 2014 makes it clear that admission authorities must make
decisions about placements outside the normal age group on the basis of the
circumstances of each case and in the best interests of the child concerned. This
will include taking account of:
• the parents’ views;
• the views of the headteacher of the school/s concerned;
• information about the child’s academic, social and emotional development;
• where relevant, their medical history and the views of a medical professional;
• whether they have been previously educated out of their normal age group; Principles for decision-makers
LA recognises that each case must be considered on an individual basis but
believes in the following principles:
• Established good practice within the County and nationwide shows that, apart
from in the most exceptional circumstances, schools are able to meet all pupils’
personal, social and educational needs within their appropriate age group, and
that this is a reasonable expectation.
• Decision-makers should be able to demonstrate that other strategies have failed,
or are highly unlikely to be successful in meeting the child’s needs.
• In no case should a child be placed in a year group more than one year different
from their school-age peers.
• In no case should pupils be retained in a year group solely to avoid/defer other
decisions e.g. about transition to a further Key Stage.
• It should always remain clear in which National Curriculum year group pupils are
registered at the school. It is good practice to record this information on annual
reports to parents.
• The needs of the child must always be considered as the key criteria, rather
than, for example, school organisation, curriculum and assessment
considerations.

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Feelingwalkedover · 01/08/2019 12:51

Opps I’ve not read it properly
So it’s a different exam board? ..is why they won’t give here a place?
I had this bizarrely,with my adult son with asd .he got signed of sick for months ,and has moved to a new college ,which are using a different exam board ...both colleges in same town as well. He’s having to start his Alevels again this September,instead of going in to the second year.
Not ideal ..but we didn’t get a choice.
My other dc is starting a special school in September,primary ,and noises have made about going in a year below.nothing concrete,so I’m hoping it dosnt come to anything

Oliversmumsarmy · 01/08/2019 12:50

Apologies for thinking you were the poster who moved to wales for then came back. With similar results.

The only thing I can suggest is for her to continue her studies from home and you put her in privately for her GCSEs to keep her within her year group.

Schools have set year 10 and 11 work, curriculum and exam boards and whilst you might be able to move in year in any other age group when it comes to year 10 and 11 schools like to have the children for the 2 years and won’t have incomes coming mid way through or towards the end of the course.

Those saying to go private. I don’t even think a private school would offer any different to what is on offer through the LA either

MummytoCSJH · 01/08/2019 12:48

Very few schools will move pupils during year 10 or 11 unless in exceptional circumstances, and even fewer are willing to take a new year 10 or 11 pupil. She simply won't have studied everything she needs to to do her gcses if she doesn't take the year again. Accept the place.

Feelingwalkedover · 01/08/2019 12:46

I actually think I could end up in your situation in September,but for a younger child.thats why I clicked on this thread.
Are there no colleges near you could try

Feelingwalkedover · 01/08/2019 12:45

I agree with you op
I would not be happy
I would be refusing.

Oliversmumsarmy · 01/08/2019 12:42

Also I doubt any school will give you a place midway through year 10 either.

RageAgainstTheVendingMachine · 01/08/2019 12:41

Not trying to upset you Nina
Unless you can afford private or can home ed with an added cost of 250 pounds per exam entered, then I'm not sure what other options there are.
Was her coursework outstanding - are the exam boards the same - can her coursework marks be carried across?
Above all, how is your daughter feeling? What does she want given you have been told an appeal will fail - can you lawyer up?

Oliversmumsarmy · 01/08/2019 12:40

I doubt any school will give your dd a place in year 11.

Yes she might have done 3/4 of the year 10 work but given the different exam boards and curriculum it will mean nothing.

Girl in dds school (English) but had spent a lot of her childhood abroad so when her parents moved back she had to start in year 10 not in year 11 because that is when the curriculum starts for the schools GCSEs.
(Private school which didn’t take any new entries in year 11)
It is just how it is when you get to years 10 and 11

GrammarTeacher · 01/08/2019 12:37

Missing any time from year 10 is hugely significant. And as has been stated it is quite likely that the new school do different exam boards and different options within the boards. They're not saying this to be mean. They're not doing this (just) to make themselves look better but to enable your daughter to achieve the best grades she can. Why would you not want to do that?

RageAgainstTheVendingMachine · 01/08/2019 12:35

I can understand your concerns with her being one of the eldest rather than Summer born but I still don't see it as a humiliation, sorry. I can only see the advantages - a greater chance of getting 9s across the board in Summer 2021.

LIZS · 01/08/2019 12:34

But if she has not been in school studying the same gcse curriculum since Feb/March she has missed at least a term of term of teaching and mocks. The best chance for decent gcse results is to resit year 10.

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