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Any advice for help to give my daughter who did not get expected standard in sats

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user1483778494 · 14/07/2019 15:00

Has anyone any useful resources/sites I could use over summer to help my daughter with her Maths and English.
I have been looking on schoolrun and top marks. Has anyone any other useful ideas I could look at.
Thanks xx

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Lardlizard · 23/07/2019 08:37

No it’s a state secondary and primary
Was an excellent primary with amazing teachers and not as good s secondary
With a lot of subs and stressed and unhappy teachers
This child saidvrecently when they asked a question about maths because they didn’t understand it
Got a bollocking for not listening
So it doesn’t really encourage a culture to ask questions

GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit · 23/07/2019 08:11

I just dont understand the idea that you will damage a child's self confidence or give a school a misleading idea of a child's abilities by teaching them more maths over the school summer holidays.

I think some people have very different ideas about education from me. I think that any child (special needs or learning difficulties aside) is quite capable of mastering the ks2 maths curriculum with sufficiently good teaching and practice.

By doing this the child will actually become better at maths and so no one will be misled. Their chances of keeping up in class will actually be massively improved as they wont be missing key building blocks that will let them access new mathematical concepts.

A lack of ability in Maths (whatever this actually means) is not the only reason a child could fall behind. All it takes is for a child to misunderstand or not pay attention to a few key things and they can become trapped in a cycle of not understanding and not paying attention. It's easy enough when a teacher has 30 children to teach.

But it's a cycle that can be broken and not necessarily with expensive tutors. Time, patience and some appropriate workbooks are often all that is needed.

MarchingFrogs · 23/07/2019 07:48

Daft thing is say geography is insufficient
And way below target
Doesn’t actually give us any clue whatsoever of what this child is currently achieving

Most state primary schools don't teach Geography as a separate subject and it's definitely not examined in the SATs, so is your DC at a private school? If so, demand your money's worth and and ask the school to explain.

ittakes2 · 23/07/2019 05:32

I woudn't worry about her SAT tests either and you really need to giver her a break or she will start high school stressed out. You really don't want that as other children will notice her lack in confidence and you don't need a lack of confidence when you are trying to make new friends. BUT one thing I would do is look at the wonderful suggestions some of the other posters have mentioned to you and do some bits and pieces in the last week or two of the holidays. I do this as a general rule each school holiday as a way of boosting my children's confidence before they go back. Everyone would forget things after 6 weeks - so just jog her memory before she starts and she will naturally do better in testing when she is tested in September and this will help her confidence. Don't over cook her or you are giving the school a false impression of her abilities and you don't want her to be put in a stream that is going to demotivate her if she can't cope.

Lardlizard · 22/07/2019 23:25

Daft thing is say geography is insufficient
And way below target
Doesn’t actually give us any clue whatsoever of what this child is currently achieving
Would be more helpful to say this child has a target of say an 8 but at this current progress is currently a level 4 or whatever

As to us this is no information at all
Regarding what levels this child is actually currently achieving

Lardlizard · 22/07/2019 21:10

Marking place for general reading later as looks like there’s some good tips on here

dootball · 16/07/2019 23:36

I couldn't agree more with noble said about the maths.

For some reason it seems impossible to convince people how important the key numeracy bits from primary school are. If you don't know your timestables (I mean really know them not by counting up) and the 4 basic operations it impacts on almost every topic you ever do.

If you can make sure these are all spot on , then she has every chance of success at secondary school.

MarchingFrogs · 16/07/2019 23:24

Do your local libraries run a Summer Reading Challenge?

summerreadingchallenge.org.uk/

GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit · 16/07/2019 23:06

I also have a going into Year 2 child who is just completing the Year 1, 10 minute CGP maths tests at the moment.

They quite like maths so might start the year 2 one over the summer. Plus the ks1 Schofield and Sims mental arithmetic books.

Then I have a going into year 8 child who is confused by algebra. So planning to try and sort that out.....

Term time there always seems to be too much other stuff going on.

GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit · 16/07/2019 22:59

My children will all do a little bit of Maths most days over the summer. It will be an hour maximum a day. So there will be lots of time to have fun. I will be encouraging them to read as well.

I had to stage a bit of an intervention with my son last summer when he didn't seem to have learnt any maths during the year.

Learning how to do it boosted his self confidence and has made him happier at school. Maths is like a building. You have to stick in good foundations!

user1483778494 · 16/07/2019 21:59

Thanks GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit have just had a good look at the books available for cgp and have ordered a couple. Have ordered one for my younger daughter going into year 2 as well.

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nonicknameseemsavailable · 16/07/2019 21:19

if you struggle to spark interest with reading what about looking at a magazine like whizz, pop, bang which is fun and loads of kids find it really interesting.

GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit · 16/07/2019 21:05

I second pen and paper. My son spent ages on a times tables app and didn't learn much.

The cgp ten minute times table test books sorted him right out. And went beyond rote learning of the tables to address how to use them.

Not saying the apps dont work for any children just not for mine.

Schofield and Sims does great ks2 maths books as well.

user1483778494 · 16/07/2019 21:02

Thanks sitlux will get hold of them. Your daughter has shown it can be done Smile. Will give them ago to see if it helps my daughter.

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sitlux · 16/07/2019 20:30

Sorry I meant the CGP books. Their SATs revision books are excellent. They cover all key topics, with worked examples and practice questions for each topic.

www.cgpbooks.co.uk/primary-books/ks2/year-6-(ages-10-11)?sort=best_selling&quantity=36&page=1&view=grid&currentFilter=Subject_32&filter_subject=Subject_32

sitlux · 16/07/2019 20:22

Mathletics and IXL Maths never worked for us. I really believe in pen and paper at this age, especially if they need to master the basics.

At the beginning of year 6 my DD was getting low percentages in all the test papers that they did at school. My DD's school is outstanding, with SATs results much higher than national and also higher than the borough ones. DD was in the middle set for Maths, so I was surprised. I decided to work with her myself, to cover the gaps.

We used the GGP book series: SATs revision book standard level, together with SATs 10-min tests, again the standard level. She worked about 2 hours per week (2 sessions, 1 hr each) and I helped her with the areas where she was struggling. This was until Christmas.

In the Spring term I got her the SATs revision book advanced level, plus also the 10-min advanced level tests. Those took us almost to Easter break.

During Easter break and in the weeks just before SATs, I got her SATs practice papers - one standard, one advanced. She finished them all and required very little help from me. She was already getting high marks in these practice tests. This gave her a big confidence boost, she went to SATs with absolutely no stress.

In SATs she scored 114 in Maths and I couldn't be happier that all her hard work paid off and she was able to see the link between her hard work and results. In her final school report the teacher have her "above expectation" (5/5 rating) for the first time in primary school, and noted her great progress in year 6. The secondary she is going to will set based on Maths.

I would not leave it until year 7/8 if I were you... the more you leave it the harder it will be to cover the gaps.

PenguinsRabbits · 16/07/2019 12:24

Mathletics give a discount if you don't subscribe immediately so do trial first then they send you an offer.

user1483778494 · 16/07/2019 12:18

Hi PenguinsRabbits,
Thanks for the heads up about Mathletics. I went on the site yesterday but did not know the pricing. That price sounds very reasonable. Daughter really is not a keen reader at all so have tried to find something to spark her interest. Together we have found a book of interest for her and I am going to read it to her and then get her to read it. Maybe whilst I read my book at the same time. Looking forward to sharing this time with her. Also the school she is going to is going to do a maths competition for year 7’s to do during the summer, so will do this with her.
Great ideas given everyone and thanks again.

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PenguinsRabbits · 16/07/2019 11:51

Mathletics online is excellent for maths and does a free trial, something like £40 a year after that. You can adjust the year in the parent controls up to 6 times if work is too hard or too easy - also a something easier (-1 year) and something harder (+1 year) button on test. Both mine have used this in the past and loved it though they love maths generally.

English if she will read get her to read a few books - tell her she can ask you about any word she doesn't understand. Doesn't really matter too much what as long as books themselves contain reasonable English.

I wouldn't go overboard - summer holidays are primarily for relaxing. Mine both aren't keen on reading but love maths so they don't read books but we will discuss the news, the look up the news online and they will ask me about words they don't understand.

It can be helpful to do sometimes things with kids if they are struggling with something. You can often see problem quite quickly.

user1483778494 · 15/07/2019 17:04

Thanks again everyone and thanks for your link noblegiraffe, will look at that later out of curiosity. Will definitely help DD with her maths over summer and ongoing for the future.

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GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit · 15/07/2019 15:04

Personally I would get the cgp 10 minute maths tests and go through them. Explain anything she gets wrong or doesn't understand. If she finds the year 6 one hard go back to year 5 or before if necessary.

They also do 10 minute tests for times tables.

An hour a day over the summer and her maths will be completely sorted by September if she was only just below.

Good luck!

noblegiraffe · 15/07/2019 13:19

What might be instructive for parents is to go to www.compare-school-performance.service.gov.uk and type in the name of the secondary school that your DC is going to.

Scroll down to ‘Results by pupil characteristics’
Then click on ‘Prior attainment’

Look at the percentage of low prior attainers who get a grade 4+ in English and maths.

It is likely to be very, very low.

I don’t think telling parents that they are over-worrying or just need to relax and it will be fine is the most helpful message.

Beechview · 15/07/2019 12:29

Have you tried any online sites for maths? Like the maths factor or bbcbitesize?
My kids used to do maths factor which we found to be quite good. You do have to pay but there is a 14 day free trial.
I also recommend reading lots. Not just books but pick up a Sunday paper and read an article a day from it.

user1483778494 · 15/07/2019 12:15

Thank you so much everyone for taking the time for your much needed advice. noblegiraffe thanks for your suggestions it was very interesting to read and I will certainly act on your advice. Also the reading suggestions. Looking forward to reading some classics together -never thought of that as an idea.

Thanks again have enjoyed reading your reply’s Smile

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Oliversmumsarmy · 15/07/2019 12:13

I would leave her and see where she ends up in September.

All you are going to get is a very depressed child if you hot house her over the summer and purely because of that she ends up in a class where she has to work 10 tines harder and longer than any other child just to keep up with the class.
Then if she fails to make progress and has to be put down a set it is going to be no good for her self esteem.

I would work on her confidence levels.

Dd was always in the lowest set for everything but as I didn’t think it was a big deal she just got in with it.

I instead worked on her confidence levels and how to speak to people

She now has her own business.

No one has ever asked what GCSEs she has but because of her confidence and a bit of common sense she has done some really fantastic jobs

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