Ban the Booths

Like Boney, I'm also really keen to know what the alternatives are for those people
In favour of banning these booths/isolation rooms.

I'm quite in favour of the booths but as it happens, ours were taken out and replaced by an intervention room.

Should a pupil be removed by an on-call member of staff, they are taken to intervention. Should a pupil's poor behaviour be bad but not quite warrant an exclusion, then they spend the day in isolation: they have break and lunch and separate to the normal timetable.

The room is staffed by, in our case, a retired teacher from a Pupil referral unit who is more than used to pupils who don't conform. Every single child is provided with work that has to be completed.

glad you’ve changed your mind.

I haven’t. You’ve just realised that leaping on someone in an outraged fashion and assuming the worst of them isn’t always justified.

Those posters that are backing "ban the booth" what are you suggesting should replace it.

joyful you're being goady now and deliberately distorting noble's posts to suit your agenda.

Poor show.

The idea that across the country thousands of kids are being put in a cell for simply having their shirt untucked is just bollocks.

If there are kids being put in a cell simply for having their shirt untucked, then the vast majority of teachers would say ‘that’s not right’. (In the Daily Mail sad face articles, I suspect there is usually far more going on behind the scenes than the headline - and the outraged parent - suggests).

What is happening is that outraged people are leaping on the ‘kids put in a cell for having their shirt untucked’ bandwagon and demanding that schools ‘ban the booths’ - i.e. get rid of any sort of isolation room for miscreants.

And the vast majority of teachers say ‘fuck that shit, we need to be able to exit extremely disruptive kids from the classroom’.

And then the reply is ‘omg you want to force kids in wheelchairs to walk’.

No we don’t. There is a middle ground between isolating kids over nonsense and not being able to isolate kids at all, that really both sides should be agreeing on instead of being pitted against each other by people with a book to sell. (It’s Paul Dix again, folks).

Joy I think you would struggle to get a diagnosis of asd if sensory issues were your only problem. You have to meet quite a detailed criteria to get a diagnosis, sensory issues are obviously part of that.

I am going through this process with my child at the moment and although sensory issues are a major concern there is so much else going on with him as well.

That is the lens that you are viewing the world through, joy. Secondary teachers see literally thousands of kids who are capable of wearing a tucked in shirt, some of whom refuse to follow the school rules.
A much, much smaller proportion of those are physically unable to follow the school rules, and generally, adjustments are made for them.
That’s how I’m approaching it.

If you want to argue that a kid with extreme sensory difficulties should wear an amended school uniform, then you’re arguing with the wrong person because I’m quite happy for that to happen.

Teen, that is NOT what Noble said. At all.

That is exactly what noble said. You’re reading this with your own agenda and seeing things that aren’t there.

I also said, joy ‘In 14 years of teaching I’ve not met anyone who physically can’t ever have a tucked in shirt, so I think it’s pretty safe to generalise, and then make exceptions for extreme outliers.’

^That’s a horrible, ableist, bigoted thing to say.’

Don’t be daft. Demanding that any general statement that anyone ever says has to also include a disclaimer that excludes anyone that a reasonable person would realise that it doesn’t apply to is just tedious.

No it isn't! Except how you are choosing to read it.

It is saying:

Children, (apart from those who can't due to special needs and need reasonable adjustments), need to follow school rules and there should be a range of consequences available to teachers including isolation.

This thread is making the argument “any child who doesn’t obey a strict uniform code 100% is naughty and difficult and needs to be severely punished no exceptions.”

No one on this thread has made that argument.

The thing is joy this isn't a thread about whether some kids with particular SN can't follow normal school rules. Probably everyone is agreed that a school should make reasonable adjustments for them.

This is about how to deal with the kids who refuse to follow reasonable instructions and whether isolation is an appropriate option.

Can you really not see the difference between “school uniforms are stupid” and “some disabled kids aren’t physically capable of abiding by extremely strict uniform codes”?

Have you never come across “reasonable adjustments” for disabled children? No one is suggesting that they are forced to tuck their shirt in.

We’re talking about the vast, vast majority who just choose not to.