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GCSES - Extra time for anxiety?

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leverett · 04/06/2019 17:55

Just that really. DD in Y9 has diagnoses of ASD and anxiety. When she is anxious she is likely to ‘freeze’ and this will obviously affect her exam performance.

For full disclosure DD is currently not attending school because of anxiety, although we are hoping she will reintegrate for Y10.

How would DD be assessed to see if she ‘qualifies’ for extra time? She has an EHCP if that makes any difference.

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LIZS · 06/06/2019 14:35

Dd says one of students in a previous exam sitting had a panic card and could use that to flag that they needed a break, so time would be paused.

leverett · 06/06/2019 14:01

Thanks LIZS. Actually I emailed back and asked the school if DD would need to be assessed for access arrangements and was told that she would need to be by the school’s assessor. The school obviously know DD has ASD and anxiety diagnoses. It was at that point I started this thread.

Over what period does the ‘normal way of working’ need to be built up? DD hasn’t been in school for most of Y9 to have a normal way of working and hasn’t sat the end of year exams. Can evidence be gathered in Y10 when DD is hopefully back in school?

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LIZS · 06/06/2019 06:39

I think that just means they are offering a screening programme for adjustments based on processing issues for example, which may have been overlooked. Medical based access arrangements would be separate.

leverett · 05/06/2019 23:24

Thank you bananasonfore - that clarifies the position re applying for extra time.

Floatinginspace - I realise now that for the Form 8 route or the disabled candidate route an application does have to be made online - see 5.2.1 on P.22 and also the example at 4.2.14 on P.19 for a GCSE candidate with severe autism - as well as the file note and evidence of disability documents the SENCO also has to have ‘the approval sheet from Access Arrangements Online’ available for inspection.

The email from the SENCO to Y9 parents makes no mention of the medical evidence of disability route to apply for extra time. It says all Y9 students will be assessed and eligibility for access arrangements will depend on the results of those tests plus evidence from teaching staff. Surely SENCOs need to be aware of both routes to fulfil their duty to make reasonable adjustments for disabled candidates?

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bananasonfire · 05/06/2019 21:28

Where there is medical evidence of a disability which substantially impacts on processing speed form 8 should not be completed and there is no need to assess.
The SENCO prepares a file note which documents the student's difficulties and when applying online indicates that the student has medical difficulties < or an EHCP>. The file note is kept on file alongside the medical evidence and/or the EHCP and evidence of usual way of working.

FloatingthroughSpace · 05/06/2019 13:28

They still need to demonstrate that it makes a difference, using teacher statements and for example a score with and without extra time (eg mark the point they were at at the end of "normal" time and compare it with what the teacher knows about the young person and their capabilities etc). 25 percent extra is considered a reasonable adjustment but you can't just make a statement like this for 50 percent extra or whatever.

FloatingthroughSpace · 05/06/2019 13:25

Yes! But many sencos don't know this.
It's because the exam boards could face disability discrimination claims if they don't make adjustments for candidates with a "covered" disability. Learning difficulties is not a covered disability so the adjustments for that group are discretionary by the exam board and the school needs the data from a recent assessment, submitted on form 8, to justify it.

leverett · 05/06/2019 12:44

Thank you all so much particularly comefromaway and Floating. With your posts and a read of the JCQ qualifications again I get it! There is one Form 8 assessment route for learning difficulties and then the route for a disabled candidate who has ‘persistent and significant difficulties when accessing and processing information.’ That’s the route under which DD should be considered by the SENCO for extra time.

I am pretty sure that the SENCO who wrote a general email to Y9 parents about access arrangements is only referring to the Form 8 assessment route as she says that the results of the assessments determine what AA can be applied for.

So have I understood correctly that access arrangements via Form 8 need to be applied for, but on the disabled candidate ‘route’ the SENCO only has to put the evidence on file?

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catndogslife · 05/06/2019 09:41

My post was based on anxiety alone as per the title of the OPs post.
The fact that your dd has a diagnosis of ASD is probably more significant.

PeggyIsInTheNarrative · 05/06/2019 00:20

Floating I mean I imagine you are right and DD"s school were wrong. Bit tired here so hope I'm making sense

PeggyIsInTheNarrative · 05/06/2019 00:18

Floating I suspect DD's school messed up and didn't apply for extra time in time but were able to arrange rest breaks for anxiety and ADHD. It was a horrible time and the rest breaks only happened after I asked for appeals process to examinations council.

I hate threatening to complain but it was all a bit rubbish really. Gpod job DD has found the ADHD diagnosis really validating.

Good luck Leverett

Comefromaway · 04/06/2019 23:48

Leverett - ds walked out of a couple of his year 10 exams. Desperately hoping he can get his anxiety under control for next year.

leverett · 04/06/2019 23:43

Thank you all. Too late this evening to try to make sense of the JCQ regulations - I had downloaded them before and found them confusing.

Now I am wondering about this ‘normal way of working’ criteria. DD hasn’t been in school for much of Y9. In any event, her anxiety is considerably higher now than when she was in Y7 and 8. The teachers haven’t yet had ‘experience’ of an anxious DD who is unlikely to be able to ‘record’ any work initially when she hopefully returns to lessons. DD had similar difficulties 5 years ago and once back in class didn’t manage to complete written work for some weeks.

comefromaway I kind of understand the distinction you’re drawing between the below average processing speed which comes with conditions like dyslexia, compared with the panic and ‘brain freeze’ that comes with anxiety. However, it seems rather unfair that dyslexia type processing difficulties can be assessed to determine if extra time is allowed, but autistic spectrum and anxiety related processing difficulties can’t be measured in the same way.

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FloatingthroughSpace · 04/06/2019 23:10

Weirdly, whilst all sencos I work with are aware of form 8 and the need to evidence slow processing, many many sencos seem not to know that you don't need the same evidence if you have a recognised disability, in my experience.

FloatingthroughSpace · 04/06/2019 23:07

Sorry, cross posted.

FloatingthroughSpace · 04/06/2019 23:07

Yes, I have re read it. If you have a condition as outlined at the top of page 26 you don't follow the learning difficulties evidence pathway which is outlined on the previous few pages and form 8 must not be submitted. Evidence is held at the school for inspection.

Comefromaway · 04/06/2019 23:00

i agree it could be open to interpretation but assume that most good SENDCos would have had conversations with the exam boards/JCQ in advance.

FloatingthroughSpace · 04/06/2019 22:52

As I understand it, page 26 is the one for students with recognised disabilities covered by Equality Act and the info on that page overrides the info on pp 22-25 etc. That is what we worked out on multiple readings....

Comefromaway · 04/06/2019 22:47

www.jcq.org.uk/Download/exams-office/access-arrangements-and-special-consideration/regulations-and-guidance/access-arrangements-and-reasonable-adjustments-booklet

Pages 22,23, 26-27 & the case studies are the most relevant pages.

It says for the qualifications listed on page 2 (gcse’s Alevels, cambridgenationals etc) an application for 25 per cent extra time must be processed using Access Arrangments Online.

Punxsutawney · 04/06/2019 22:38

Floating at the moment he is awaiting a specialist speech and language assessment as he is on the autism diagnosis pathway. We and the school are pretty sure he will get a diagnosis but he is on a very long NHS waiting list. Not ideal when he starts year 11 in September. I do hope a diagnosis brings a little more support as I feel I've been battling with the school for a long time.

It's interesting to hear something different than what the Senco is telling us. The OT assessment has ended up being really useful and she has been great help to Ds, so it was worth the referral to her. I'm pretty sure Ds will not need or qualify for extra time but things have deteriorated substantially over the last year so it is interesting to read the information on this thread.

FloatingthroughSpace · 04/06/2019 22:37

comeaway does it have to be submitted? It says there must be a senco letter available for inspection, on headed paper, and with evidence as you state. In my DS case the evidence was statements from several teachers and evidence of substantial mark improvement with extra time during their "assessment" phase that led to this becoming the usual way of working (along with laptop, smaller room and now prompter, this last was only recommended a couple of weeks ago by his tutor).

Comefromaway · 04/06/2019 22:24

It’s not quite as simple as having an EHCP or diagnoses. Substantial evidence of a long term adverse effect on the candidates speed of working & detailing a whole load of other detailed criteria specified by JCQ needs to be done & submitted for a decision to be made.

Wheras for supervised rest breaks although evidence has to be produced to a JCQ inspector on request, an application does not have to be made. Furthermore a SENCO is obliged to consider supervised rest breaks before extra time.

FloatingthroughSpace · 04/06/2019 22:18

punx - I refer your senco to the extract from the QCA. She's not fully correct IF your child has a diagnosis protected by the equality act. The evidence is much more a statement of disadvantage and that this is usual way of working. Many, many sencos don't seem to realise this.

Punxsutawney · 04/06/2019 22:15

Ds's school seem to be really strict with any kind of adjustment. They have not allowed him to use a laptop in lessons until he had a report from an OT recommending it. The Senco has stated many times that they cannot authorise anything including the laptop without a professional recommending it. They have said they need the reports for their evidence.

figsandhoney · 04/06/2019 22:14

@Comefromaway I’m coming from an FE perspective where there are some exam boards that do not have to adhere to JCQ regulations but choose to publish their own guidance. By and large they follow the JCQ regulations but there can be some subtle differences.

OP there are centre delegated arrangements where evidence of ‘normal way of working’ is sufficient to grant arrangements, and arrangements where the school has to apply for prior approval. Extra time is one of the latter under JCQ regulations. But in addition to the core evidence (EHCP in this case) there should also be supporting evidence of ‘normal way of working’ as other posters have stated. JCQ are particularly keen on this additional evidence for extra time.

JCQ access arrangements and reasonable adjustments regulations are readily available via a quick internet search, so if you can find out which exam boards the school are using you could have a look at the guidance before any future meetings so you are forearmed with all the information you might need Smile

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