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DS wants to repeat Year 13

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user20 · 04/06/2019 11:44

Hi,

My 18 y/o DS who is in Year 13 and is due to finish school forever at the end of this year is wanting to go back next year to repeat the year. He is currently out on study leave.

Basically, he is only doing one a level as his attendance was below 80%, not just this year but last year in year 12 too.

He has had no valid reason for this behaviour, he has just been lazy and made excuses and turned up to school whenever and when it suited him.

He is an intelligent guy, he got 4As and 1B and 2Cs in his GCSEs, It has annoyed me and my DH a lot over the last two years that he has wasted his potential like this, he could have done so much better.

I just want him to have a better life and employment opportunities.

He just seemed so distracted over sixth year, he just seems to be always on his phone and listening to music and on social media. he was missing deadlines, not revising for exams, well last year he did but left it to very close to the exams and came out with 2Ds and a C in his AS exams which is impressive for somebody who didn't bother going to school or revising.

The school were meant to Kick him out so many times as they tried working with him but he didn't co operate, the workload got too much and he had to drop down to one a level a few months ago as it was too much work to do in such a short period of time.

He has a btec ict exam in a few days and hes done nothing for it - he can't even be bothered to work for one exam.

He has said often that he regrets his behaviour as he knows he was capable of doing more and maybe going to uni in September, I wouldn't be bothered if he chose not to go to uni but I think he needs his a levels.

Anyway, after a long wasted two years, reality has kicked in as he now wants to have a good career and has found out that if he were to start a two year a level course at an FE College, his education wouldn't be funded from September 2020 onwards.

He now wants the option to go back to school next year and repeat Year 13 - is it likely after all this carry on that they'll have him back?

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user20 · 09/06/2019 11:57

@cantkeepawayforever he didn't any Us at gcse, he passed all his GCSEs. I have been to all parent meetings and seen his reports so I know what subjects he did.

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fairweathercyclist · 09/06/2019 11:57

I don't know if repeating year 13 is still a thing, it certainly was at my grammar school.

However, I think the blithe comments on here about getting a job and then doing an access course are unrealistic. Adult education options are getting more and more squeezed and it is getting to the point that if you don't get your A levels at 18 you can forget it for the rest of your life which is ludicrous. If you are going to work until 67, why do you have to have everything sorted at such a young age? The Open University isn't really an option anymore as it has become so expensive, although there are online options for A level which are not ridiculously expensive.

Further education really needs sorting out - urgently.

user20 · 09/06/2019 11:54

@EvilTwins I'm aware that he can be arrogant regarding his school, I have said the exact same a lot.

I don't think his school should allow him back but if they can magic up funding for somebody else who couldn't be arsed attending or doing exams then I'm sorry but I think it's so unfair that DS doesn't get a look in, if the other person wasn't allowed back then I'd have a completely different viewpoint.

I don't think it's a good idea that he goes back to school - I think he should try something new. But if he wants his a levels and is sure he will work and not mess about then I will support it and back him.

I will have to tighten up at home. He will be told to pack his bags if he messes about again.

Hes not the first teenager to make a very bad decision - if he now realises this then he should be given consideration

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cantkeepawayforever · 09/06/2019 11:50

User, the thing is that him having 7, you not giving number grades, the subjects not being combinations that are usually possible are all unusual....as was you first saying his absences were coded C, then saying O. It all seems to imply either a lack of understanding, or a lack of transparency, about what has really gone on.

Others will know better than me whether Us are shown on certificates or only on results slips.

TapasForTwo · 09/06/2019 11:44

“It worries me that you say he keeps crying and saying he wants to die. I would say that means he is feeling very lost and scared.”

Could he be depressed? Being depressed is a serious demotivator

“1. Have a look at his GCSE results. My guess is he took triple science and isn't telling you the grades he got in Physics and Chemistry.”

I think this must be the case. State schools offer double or triple science, not single sciences. How did you not know this?. Did you not go to the options evening? As far as I know only private schools offer single sciences. If you were as interested in your son’s education as you say you are you would have seen the paper with his results on and seen his GCSE certificate. Did the school not do a certificate presentation evening? I am surprised that you never took the trouble to understand the new number grading system.

As far as I know, unless there is a particular problem, year 11s take 9 or 10 GCSEs, so I feel that your son has been less than honest with you

The next year will be tough when all of his friends go off to university. DD took a gap year and found the first few months hard going until she found a job.

The comments from the teachers here are spot on. A levels are way harder than GCSEs. Your son did OK, not brilliantly, but has a respectable set of GCSEs. DD took A levels in subjects that she achieved A*s in, but still found them hard going. Yes she did get all As at A level but it was nose to the grindstone all the way.

Going forward, all is not lost. It sounds like your son isn’t university material – yet. There is no reason why he can’t get a job, and then do an access course when he feels ready, then go to university.

I am older than you. I sat my O levels in 1975, but I still took the troubles to understand the current education system so that I could support my daughter.

bookmum08 · 09/06/2019 11:44

What is the course he wants to do at college? His a level choices seem bit random - especially if he is interested in law and criminology (although did that interest come later). What made him pick his choices for gcse and a level. When I look back I realise I chose mine by what my mates were doing and teachers I liked. Not a good method.

user20 · 09/06/2019 11:43

@titchy as far as I'm aware he dropped physics in Year 10 because he hated it.

I can't remember, I'm not a perfect parent, but eh who is?

I don't have my head in the sand actually - yous have all got this so so wrong. He is an academic person, he Is my son and his teachers know and have said the exact same.

I cannot emphasise this enough, he hasn't succeeded at a level because he thought that due to him being over compulsory school age, he could just go in and out when he wanted, he got stuck in a circle of it and long story short he became lazy and didn't do any work hence why he has failed - who the hell is going to get 3As with crap attendance? I'd be interested to know.

No I haven't restarted his gym membership - if he wants it he can get a job and pay it himself. And please don't say he needs it to keep fit, he doesn't. If he wants to go fit he has his own running gear so he can go out running and there's plenty of fruit and veg here that he can eat

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user20 · 09/06/2019 11:35

@titchy I will ring the school tomorrow morning then! He did not fail three GCSEs. I would have been told by the school at the time

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10brokengreenbottles · 09/06/2019 11:34

If your DS got number grades for maths and English GCSE's I take in you are in England, and therefore your DS' statement should have been transferred to an EHCP, has it? EHCPs don't have to end at 19. They can make provision until 25, not usually at mainstream schools but elsewhere, unless they go to university/start work (but not apprenticeship) etc.

Did you really not discuss any of this in the annual reviews? When was the last one?

bookmum08 · 09/06/2019 11:34

Does he realise that you can't just 'repeat' Year 13? He really needs to know that simply isn't a thing. The fact that he is still saying that suggests he still doesn't quite understand.

titchy · 09/06/2019 11:30

It's won't have been school policy to only enter fro one science, or not enter for Lit. He's failed three GCSEs whether you want to hear that or not.

Arewedone · 09/06/2019 11:29

He still has the rest of his life ahead of him and this is a stumbling block he needs to make into a stepping stone. Life is full of disappointment and your success comes from how you choose to deal with it. As the saying goes, calm waters don’t make a skilled sailor. Does the school have a careers officer or maybe even a teacher he really likes. Would he open up to someone outside of the family. From what you have told us it doesn’t sound like he communicates to easily with his family.

titchy · 09/06/2019 11:26

So can you answer the questions about them? Why no Lit, what happened to Ch and physics? I suspect he failed those three - probably didn't turn up.

You keep saying you're an involved parent, but everything you post points to a kid who has pulled the wool over his parents eyes, who has been having problems for a lot longer than year 12. And now you think if he's give another chance all will be well.

You have got your head so deeply in the sand here you're ignoring everyone's advice and hoping for a miracle. The reality is likely to be yet another wasted year and you posting again next summer. You need to be formulating a plan with him NOW, not waiting for the inevitable. School or repeating A levels at college are NOT the answers. You need to address the root cause of his issues - but are refusing to do so. Many of us suggest it's because he's not as academic as you say, that he's struggled. But you're ignoring that totally. And he is the one who will suffer with your head in sand attitude. You're not acting in his best interests.

And you still haven't answered my gym/phone questions!

EvilTwins · 09/06/2019 11:25

He has even said himself that he doesn't really want to go back to school - he just wants them to leave the door open in case at the end of the summer holidays he feels he needs another year there.

The arrogance is mind blowing. You need to take control of this OP, and point out just how far he is taking the school for granted.

user20 · 09/06/2019 11:16

@Arewedone he really doesn't know what he wants tbh.

He has even said himself that he doesn't really want to go back to school - he just wants them to leave the door open in case at the end of the summer holidays he feels he needs another year there.

I have asked him since he doesn't really want to go back and if he did would he not do the same thing over again and he said no as he'd be on his last chance and would just get on with it.

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Arewedone · 09/06/2019 11:15

Quite possibly a year out would do him a world of good, a chance to take himself more seriously and learn responsibility and really think what he would like to aim for.

user20 · 09/06/2019 11:13

@EvilTwins he has a 4 in maths and a 7 in English.

I don't know about the science, it must have been a school policy or something, I have no idea. It doesn't really matter. He sat his GCSEs 2 years ago.

His a levels are ict, Geograpny and business Studies. So the subjects he did at a level are what he already did at gcse

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Arewedone · 09/06/2019 11:11

In the cold light of day there is no reason at all why school would want him back even if they could. You need to make a plan B together with your son so that you both can move forward. You are going round in circles atm. Starting looking at the possibilities without the blame. Have you asked him what he wants?

user20 · 09/06/2019 11:10

Also, for the record, to anybody else who seems to think DS is covering up his GCSEs, he is not. I have seen his certificates this morning.

That's not something that came as a surprise to me, I've been to all his parent / teacher meetings during year 10 and 11 and I've seen all his school reports

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EvilTwins · 09/06/2019 11:09

@user20 so if you’ve now seen them, what are the grades for maths and English? Why is there only one science and what happened to English lit?

It’s not possible to help without knowing the facts. The GCSE grades may be irrelevant to you but if they are his most recent decent grades (which they will be, given the A Level issue) then they are totally relevant to his next steps.

I think the best thing is just to help him move on now. Get a job to earn some cash and have a think about what he might want to do moving forward.

user20 · 09/06/2019 11:06

@pikapikachu he was fine in Year 11, his attendance right from the beginning of primary school up until year 11 was excellent. It's only in Year 12 that his attendance started to become bad.

He did however take a few sneaky days in years before year 12 but they were only day here and there and did happen very often e.g the last of a term when it was half day / non uniform etc

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user20 · 09/06/2019 11:00

@pikapikachu well, in fact they were different in my day. Don't know about you but I did my O levels in 1984!

Honestly, I'm not worried about DS' gcse subjects. They are irrelevant. I got DS to show me his gcse certificates and all is as at seems, he did 7. I don't know why people are assuming that DS would lie about this? Bit of a silly thing for him to make up

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SoupDragon · 09/06/2019 10:51

How old are you that you can't understand GCSE subjects? Wink Grin It's not so different to when we were at school.

My DS is sitting A Levels this year and GCSEs are completely different to when I was at school. We did individual sciences for a start. Maybe try not to be so rude Wink Grin

llangennith · 09/06/2019 10:49

OP you must stop making excuses for your son's behaviour and attitude to school and exams.

He also needs to stop making excuses for his cavalier attitude and you need to stop accepting those excuses.
He chose to skip school and do no work so now his choices are limited. His own fault.

pikapikachu · 09/06/2019 10:44

Yesterday I mentioned starting by looking at his GCSE results because your son has clearly been very shady about school related issues. The certificates won't tell you if he's failed something so you need his results slip really.
How old are you that you can't understand GCSE subjects? WinkGrin It's not so different to when we were at school.
Combined Science is a Biology, Physics and Chemistry Course that results in 2 GCSE. Triple Science is a Biology, Physics and Chemistry course that results in 3 GCSEs. Triple is for academic students- especially ones who plan to continue Sciences beyond GCSE. Some schools only offer double but double science in schools that offer triple too is for students who are at least average academically. You can do science A-levels after studying double but triple people will obviously have an edge.
It's unusual for academic students not have an MFL and 7 GCSEs is very little for an academic student in current y13. My y13 Ds is at a comp and studied 10.5 GCSEs and had the chance for more if he was so inclined. My son's school attendance issues started in y11. It was not as bad as y12 but he'd have no shame turning up late. How was your son in y11?

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