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DS wants to repeat Year 13

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user20 · 04/06/2019 11:44

Hi,

My 18 y/o DS who is in Year 13 and is due to finish school forever at the end of this year is wanting to go back next year to repeat the year. He is currently out on study leave.

Basically, he is only doing one a level as his attendance was below 80%, not just this year but last year in year 12 too.

He has had no valid reason for this behaviour, he has just been lazy and made excuses and turned up to school whenever and when it suited him.

He is an intelligent guy, he got 4As and 1B and 2Cs in his GCSEs, It has annoyed me and my DH a lot over the last two years that he has wasted his potential like this, he could have done so much better.

I just want him to have a better life and employment opportunities.

He just seemed so distracted over sixth year, he just seems to be always on his phone and listening to music and on social media. he was missing deadlines, not revising for exams, well last year he did but left it to very close to the exams and came out with 2Ds and a C in his AS exams which is impressive for somebody who didn't bother going to school or revising.

The school were meant to Kick him out so many times as they tried working with him but he didn't co operate, the workload got too much and he had to drop down to one a level a few months ago as it was too much work to do in such a short period of time.

He has a btec ict exam in a few days and hes done nothing for it - he can't even be bothered to work for one exam.

He has said often that he regrets his behaviour as he knows he was capable of doing more and maybe going to uni in September, I wouldn't be bothered if he chose not to go to uni but I think he needs his a levels.

Anyway, after a long wasted two years, reality has kicked in as he now wants to have a good career and has found out that if he were to start a two year a level course at an FE College, his education wouldn't be funded from September 2020 onwards.

He now wants the option to go back to school next year and repeat Year 13 - is it likely after all this carry on that they'll have him back?

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EvilTwins · 10/06/2019 22:42

You need to be a parent. So far, your hands-off approach has led to him wasting 2 years of 6th Form education, so maybe now is the time to step up.

My money is on this appointment never happening or him claiming it’s happening then not turning up. But that’s fine, eh OP? No need for you or him to take any responsibility. Despite the fact that the school have provided what they are obligated to for last 7 years, it’s still not enough.

The boy clearly needs guidance. You are his mother. Help him out.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 10/06/2019 22:40

My DC is almost the same age and I still go to all their meetings with them. They might be old enough to go on their own but they are not mature enough. Until they are in work or at Uni they still need parental support to make choices.

You really need to go with him to that meeting.

user20 · 10/06/2019 22:37

@EvilTwins ds is old enough to go to the meeting himself he is not in primary school anymore.

If he was in a job would I need to go to his manager with him if he needed to discuss something?

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EvilTwins · 10/06/2019 22:27

He’s on the school roll until 31st Aug but their obligations have, in effect, ended.

Why are you not going with him? After everything that’a been said on this thread? You keep insisting that you are totally supportive and yet you’re not going to go to this meeting - the meeting which you believe could determine his future? You say he’s intelligent - strikes me that he is skilled at spinning you along and making you believe anything he says. Go to the meeting FFS.

TapasForTwo · 10/06/2019 22:24

"I'm not going with him to it, he wants to go himself anyway. He knows what he needs to say."

Given that he hasn't done a very good job on his own, don't you think it might benefit him if you go with him? If you were as involved in his education as you keep saying you are (although there doesn't seem to be much evidence of that based on what you have written so far) wouldn't you want to go with him?

He clearly isn't emotionally mature enough to make the decisions that you seem to think he is grown up enough to do so.

He clearly doesn't feel ready for that responsibility, so maybe you need to take that responsibility back from him until he is ready.

user20 · 10/06/2019 22:13

@EvilTwins yes, he rang the school office and asked the secretary to make one and they are going to ring him back, actually I kind of written that wrongly because it's not actually scheduled yet but It will be when they get back to him with a day and time.

I'm not going with him to it, he wants to go himself anyway. He knows what he needs to say.

P.s if DS is not on roll until 31 August then how does his free dental care work? If he's 18 and not in full time education it has to be paid for, so does this not end once he's removed off the school's system? I thought they all remained part of the school until 31 August

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user20 · 10/06/2019 22:08

@Helix1244 yes I think the structure of sixth form was to open and free if you know what I mean.

Prior to KS5, DS had a full timetable and suddenly when he came into year 12 he had free periods here there and everywhere and he started bunking off school during his frees which then lead to him just not going to school much at all and it just became a vicious circle off it and well long story short, this is what it has ended like

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EvilTwins · 10/06/2019 22:05

He is part of the cohort finishing this year, yes, but honestly, the school’s bottom line job is to get him as far as his exams. After that, the school has no responsibility for a yr 13 student. Does he have an actual appointment scheduled in? Are you going to go with him?

user20 · 10/06/2019 22:02

@EvilTwins he is scheduled for an appointment to see his vice principal in the next few weeks.

Even though he has done his last exam, officially, is he not still a pupil there until the end of term? Don't they not keep them on the school roll until that date whether or not their exams are done are not?

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EvilTwins · 10/06/2019 21:14

@user20 did you contact the school?

If you're going to, you'll need to do that soon. If he has don his exam, then he's finished - the school are no longer responsible for him and have no obligation to even see you or him to talk about his future. They've done their job.

Helix1244 · 10/06/2019 20:38

It just seems like he cant deal with taking personal responsibility for getting to /staying at school. The whole sixth form freedom is too much. Which i can really understand. If you miss a lesson and no action/immediate consequence happens. It is actually more surprising that some attend and do well. Ideally there would be an option for parents at gcse/sixth form for parents to decide whether dc could leave the premises.
You need to learn self motivation and i guess some people may not be strong on that. With the alevel results so far off.
Tbh this issue seems an issue at state schools from primary. With so many students they may not feed back to parents behaviour that you would like to nip in the bud (say too long toilet breaks/not finishing the work) then the behaviour becomes entrenched.

Ive seen this with a kid who just stopped going in and ended up at a PRU.

Is the system at fault for not being able to enforce attendance? (Or inform parents immediately so they can sort it.)
Or as op is saying immediate sanctions/loss of alevel place.
I dont understand how kids think they will pass without going to leasons. We had about 8 lessons per week per alevel.
Maybe publishing results and attendance would make parents and students clear that they need say 93%+ to even have a chance of As

Walkingdeadfangirl · 10/06/2019 19:26

Was their a plan in place for him to go to university in September if he had passed his a-levels?

Did he have any offers, what grades and subjects where they for? Law?

Lancelottie · 10/06/2019 19:14

User, you seem to be swithering between cracking down on him (make him pay his way, throw him out) and asking everyone else to make allowances for his one mistake.

I think you are reacting somewhat at random here (not really a criticism, I do it myself). ‘I’ll do this - tough love is what he needs and he’ll be fine. But he’s struggling, make allowances and he’ll be fine.’

I think you (and his father if in the picture) need a clearer idea of how his Aspergers affects him, plus the OCD. I think that having found the courses hard, he has simply hidden from them because he isn’t good at assessing long term effects of his actions. He may do the same if he tries again.

I suspect your boy would need substantial help to get through A levels and that a law degree would be an appalling struggle for him.

TeddTess · 10/06/2019 18:44

Maybe if he had a more realistic goal he might get his head down/feel motivated?
Sorry but do you have any idea how competitive law is? And as for Barrister?! Has he not had any guidance from school at all?
Also where did the Geography, Business, ICT choices come from ?

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Helix1244 · 10/06/2019 18:02

Worth looking into whether having an ECHP makes a difference.
''Funding for young people age 19+
From age 19, young people who are starting a new study programme may have to pay tuition fees.

However, if they:

Are under 25 and have an Education, Health and Care (EHC) plan
Have not achieved English or maths at GCSE grade C / grade 4 or higher
Are 19-23-years-old and want to enrol on a study programme to achieve their first full qualification at Level 2 or Level 3 (see what qualification levels mean)
they will continue to receive free education and their study programme will be funded by the Adult Education Budget (AEB).

(N.B. A few educational settings may not receive ESFA or AEB funding to cover the costs of tuition fees. It is always advisable to check if tuition fees are charged, before enrolling on any study programme.)''

user20 · 10/06/2019 18:01

@Lancelottie yes that's true. we could use his diagnosis to try and get them to fund him another year or two years - I'm not defending his behaviour but for goodness sake the government would happily pay for and fund isis murderers in this country and then they hesitate paying a young persons a levels for another two years when they made a bad decision!! Something not right

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user20 · 10/06/2019 17:58

@titchy I meant people do change not people do charge

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user20 · 10/06/2019 17:56

@titchy and if he wants to do an access course then so be it, I'm not standing in his way.

If he wants to go to college and do his a levels again then he can do so but he can pay for it. And I'm sorry but just because he hasn't pulled his weight this time around and failed his a levels who are you to say he wouldn't be able to move on and get a levels elsewhere? Do you have any evidence to support your statement that he would supposedly fail if he tried again? That's completely untrue.

If he started again with a completely different mindset then how would you know if he'd pass or fail? That's a bit flippant. You can't judge whether he'd pass or fail based on what's happened during school. People do charge you know. He's not the first to mess up his exams and he won't be the last. Not saying that makes it okay because it's not, he'll get there in the end though.

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fishonabicycle · 10/06/2019 17:48

He sounds like he needs to grow up a bit. Let him get a job for a year and see if he actually does change his ways. If he really wants to he can then try to get onto an access/foundation course and get a university place via that route.

Lancelottie · 10/06/2019 17:45

Yes, but I don't think your advice is realistic.

If he has had his funding this time round, he is very unlikely to get Level 3 funding for a second shot. Maybe, given his diagnoses, he might be able to make a case - though it won't help if you announce that he's just a very naughty boy.

He is very unlikely to be able to cope with the workload for law at present, and telling him to get on with it won't make that happen.

We are coming at this from somewhat the opposite direction. DS also has Asperger's, OCD and depression. He is painfully dragging himself through university running on half-empty, despite fairly frequent advice to put his mental health first. He is nearer 'well' when outside, in company, doing something practical - so your son's laughing and joking with friends while burying his head in the sand about his school work sounded rather familiar.

Helix1244 · 10/06/2019 17:44

I think the main advantage of him looking for a job is he might start to understand how competitive it is and realise he may struggle even to get into Tesco etc. (I did at 17 with just ok gcses).
I also honestly didnt realise how hard it would be to get a job even after uni. Loads of selection centres, teamwork interviews. Actually graduate jobs are not for everyone and even when you get the job there can be a lack of training.
Would he interview well?
Maybe look into how many barristers there are as a percentage of lawyers

titchy · 10/06/2019 17:42

But you're not saying 'A levels or similar' you're saying A levels, and now. He needs something other than A levels. A legal apprenticeship for example. Or an Access course in a year or so. He'll fail A levels and have nothing to show for his one or two years trying.

Namenic · 10/06/2019 17:41

@user20 - are you sure this is a considered decision on his part rather than a reflex reaction to not going to uni like many of his peers?

Does he know the process of being a defence barrister and what a levels are good for law? Has he considered other options? If he picks inappropriate a levels or doesn’t work next year would he be in a worse position regarding funding?(if not there is less risk to try this path and see; but if it is he could be in a worse position next year).

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