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DS wants to repeat Year 13

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user20 · 04/06/2019 11:44

Hi,

My 18 y/o DS who is in Year 13 and is due to finish school forever at the end of this year is wanting to go back next year to repeat the year. He is currently out on study leave.

Basically, he is only doing one a level as his attendance was below 80%, not just this year but last year in year 12 too.

He has had no valid reason for this behaviour, he has just been lazy and made excuses and turned up to school whenever and when it suited him.

He is an intelligent guy, he got 4As and 1B and 2Cs in his GCSEs, It has annoyed me and my DH a lot over the last two years that he has wasted his potential like this, he could have done so much better.

I just want him to have a better life and employment opportunities.

He just seemed so distracted over sixth year, he just seems to be always on his phone and listening to music and on social media. he was missing deadlines, not revising for exams, well last year he did but left it to very close to the exams and came out with 2Ds and a C in his AS exams which is impressive for somebody who didn't bother going to school or revising.

The school were meant to Kick him out so many times as they tried working with him but he didn't co operate, the workload got too much and he had to drop down to one a level a few months ago as it was too much work to do in such a short period of time.

He has a btec ict exam in a few days and hes done nothing for it - he can't even be bothered to work for one exam.

He has said often that he regrets his behaviour as he knows he was capable of doing more and maybe going to uni in September, I wouldn't be bothered if he chose not to go to uni but I think he needs his a levels.

Anyway, after a long wasted two years, reality has kicked in as he now wants to have a good career and has found out that if he were to start a two year a level course at an FE College, his education wouldn't be funded from September 2020 onwards.

He now wants the option to go back to school next year and repeat Year 13 - is it likely after all this carry on that they'll have him back?

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TheletterZ · 08/06/2019 22:58

Sorry, just that I am on the Navy website at the moment, they take people without GCSEs or A-levels and give them the opportunity to sit them and then progress further. This is just to illustrate that there are other options. www.royalnavy.mod.uk/careers/roles-and-specialisations/services/fleet-air-arm/air-engineering-technician

titchy · 08/06/2019 22:54

It doesn't matter at all - but I have a sneaky suspicion he didn't get the grades he told you he got. Have you seen the AS certificates even? How do you know he got Cs and a D last year?

Knowing for certain what grades he has (not what he's told you he has) will mean people can give you much better advice as to a more suitable route for him.

He needs to be looking for an apprenticeship or a job right now, I don't think more education is right for him at the moment.

TheletterZ · 08/06/2019 22:52

Rather than looking back now is the time to start looking forward. He has some decisions to make. Messed up A-levels happen and there are still options, not always the easiest but they are there.

What does he want out of life and how does he see himself getting there?

You might have to think left field - for example engineering apprentice with the Royal Navy (only mentioned as he likes karting so a possible link)
The key is he will need to think where he wants to end up and then you can plan from there.

user20 · 08/06/2019 22:51

@titchy DS doesn't show me things like that - I'm sure at the time I asked to see his certificates but he can be funny that way and wouldn't show you them. Anyway my OP was not about what GCSE's he did and didn't do so why exactly does it matter what subjects he did?

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Bunnylove83 · 08/06/2019 22:48

Well it's good that the VP is willing to meet. I recommend (and sorry if I've missed this as I did read the thread but may have glossed over any references to this) he tries to decide on a plan that he wants to work towards in advance of this meeting.

Sitting in front of a student who hasn't worked hard/attended telling you they will now work harder and are sorry almost never leads to a changed outcome. It almost always reads as I don't know what to do with my life so can I stay here a bit longer please!

But if he can go in and say I need x and y qualification to get onto course z. I want to do course z because ... and I've applied for this work experience/voluntary position across the summer holidays to support my future education tends to make it harder to say no because it is quite hard for the VP to actually say no to a young person's genuine wish to achieve something.

Even if this plan is fluid it would suggest to the VP that he has started to take his future more seriously.

Having said all this, I don't want to give a message of false hope. In a time of terrible budget cuts and increasing teacher shortages then the VP will go into this meeting knowing that they'll be crucified if by the school business manager for taking someone who they will get no funding for, and will be a negative drain on the budget every single time they photocopy a resource for him or support him in any way that every other student will get £4K+ to cover.

titchy · 08/06/2019 22:45

I've never seen his gcse certificates

Oh dear..... OP I do not believe, assuming England state school, it is possible for him to have a Biology GCSE. I think you perhaps need to see those certificates....

user20 · 08/06/2019 22:45

@pikapikachu he didn't do Igcses so he will have numbers for maths and English but we refer to them as letters because I know it better than using numbers

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pikapikachu · 08/06/2019 22:42

IGCSE people only have letter grades.

user20 · 08/06/2019 22:41

@titchy I've never seen his gcse certificates - if somebody came up and told me that their child got a 7 in English and a 4 in maths I wouldn't have a notion what they were talking about so I still use the letter grading system as I'm so used to it.

If an A is equal to a 7 and a C is equal to a 4, then that's what he's got in maths and English. And as for the biology, I've no idea. He only did one science. Don't ask me why because I was never consulted about it

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user20 · 08/06/2019 22:37

@Bunnylove83 he's booked in for a meeting with his vice principal in 2 weeks and he's going to speak to her.

I have told him to expect the worse but do go in and apologise profoundly (he should say this in person but write a letter too) and just explain it from his heart.

I do genuinely think the VP will say no. He shouldn't get his hopes up but there's nothin g wrong with asking. He'll cry his eyes out but again I have no sympathy.

Saying that, if he somehow is allowed back for an extra year, the school will have to lay down some very STRICT rules he must abide by and I will fully enforce this at home

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titchy · 08/06/2019 22:33

He won't have Cs for Maths and English - he'll have a number grade - presumably 7 for English and a 4 for Maths? Have you actually seen his GCSE certificates?

And only one science - that's not possible is it at state school?

user20 · 08/06/2019 22:26

@EvilTwins I am interested in all my kids and I want them all to do well at school and have a well paid career!! If I didn't care or wasn't interested then I wouldn't have even made this thread - I wouldn't have cared about DS messing up his A levels.

I am not a teacher and I don't work for the exam boards - I have no idea what changes they're making to the grading systems!! All I know is he has a C in maths and English, I don't work for educational bodies so I don't know the ins and outs of the new grading systems!!

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Bunnylove83 · 08/06/2019 22:23

I'm a Head of Sixth Form, and I've had a few similar conversations with students this week who are now regretting the last two years. As @eviltwins and others have said the school won't get any funding as he has finished one level three qualification. We have let a couple of students carry on despite this but this is due to extremely mitigating circumstances (one has a terminal illness and another was raped so they both are completing one subject this year and the other two next year). I would be shocked if the school were interested in supporting your son given that he has shown no willingness to change since year 12.

I've been telling parents and students that the options are:

  • wait until 19 and do an access course which can lead to undergraduate and foundation courses.
  • complete A Levels next year as a private candidate. This requires loads of self-discipline and independent study as the school cannot assist in any way.
  • Get a job and review whether he wants to re-enter education in the future.

Having seen this each year, I am sure that this is most likely going to be a harsh lesson for your son as schools are generally forgiving places and give so many second chances (I know because I give them myself all the time!) so the reality of legislation around funding comes hard to students as it is the first time they've ever really been told no by the school, but I have seen young people where taking this shock on board and becoming more motivated has really been the making of them.

Finally, I really would not recommend waiting until August. He knows his one A Level has gone badly, and even if it has gone better than he thinks it is only one subject, so he should spend the next couple of months putting a plan together rather than waiting for his inevitable results day.

greenwaterbottle · 08/06/2019 22:22

Our local council have a careers advice for young people.

EvilTwins · 08/06/2019 22:22

He would have got numbers for Maths and English. Why do you not know your DS's GCSE grades? You claim to be an interested parent but you say "he may have converted it"???

user20 · 08/06/2019 22:16

@cantkeepawayforever

I'm not sure if he got letters or numbers but if he got numbers then he may have converted it to letters to make it easier.

A in English language
A in biology
A in geography
A in business studies
B In ict
C in maths
C in religious studies

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cantkeepawayforever · 08/06/2019 22:12

Btw, what were his ACTUAL GCSE grades? As you will know if he took his GCSEs at the right time, they won't all be letter grades....

user20 · 08/06/2019 22:08

@cantkeepawayforever yes unfortunately his school days are over.

Although he's acted like the big man walking in and out of school but I do genuinely think he will be upset about all this, I think he knows deep down now that he's really messed up.

He does have a sensitive side and I wish he had used it at the very beginning instead of now, him crying tears now will not change any of this

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cantkeepawayforever · 08/06/2019 22:01

Why would he wait until results day? What changes on that day for him? You know he only took 1 A-level, and didn't really bother much with that - so theer's nothing 'different' between what he can do now and what he can do on August 15th.

The fact he took the A-level means his school funding is finished - that's it.

user20 · 08/06/2019 21:56

@EvilTwins I suppose he will have to wait until Thursday 15 August for results day to see what he has got in his ict.

I'm sure his head of ks5 will be extremely disappointed when she sees he's got 2Us when the results get in the day before.

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cantkeepawayforever · 08/06/2019 21:54

Crammers Like these

Many thousands of pounds per term ... and that's even supposing that your son doesn't need to board...

Figure8 · 08/06/2019 21:51

PS
If he is thinking about university, has he looked at a Foundation year?

Figure8 · 08/06/2019 21:50

Didnt read the thread.....
Its worth asking round at colleges ( FE included).
If he STARTS A levels while he's 18, he will be funded for the whole thing. He WONT be funded if he already has the same qual

cantkeepawayforever · 08/06/2019 21:47

It is possible that, once he has grown up a bit, he may be able to have a second shot at getting a decent education - but that won't be in a school setting, and is likely to be alongside (or part of) a job, in order for the funding to work.

So for the moment, once he is back from his holiday, he needs to find a job. A proper, paid job, using his AS level and GCSE grades, probably minimum wage and not what you 'wanted for him'. Obviously he will pay you rent, though he is unlikely to earn enough to live out of the family home for a while, depending on where you live.

Once he has regained some kind of structure in his life, then if he wants to find a more congenial job, he can start to research how to start working towards some further qualifications needed for them. He may be lucky, and may find a company willing to take him in at the bottom and gradually train him internally. You may find something more structured like an apprenticeship which comes with a day release for more formal education. He may have to follow the old-fashioned 'work in the day, study at night' route.

But his days of full time state funded education are over form the moment - unless and until he , over time, through less mainstream routes and access courses, finds his way into university education through a less conventional route as an older student. If he is bright, motivated and organised, there IS a way or this to happen - but he has blown his 'easy' way along this route by his behaviour during the last 2 years.

The other route would be for you to pay for a 1 (or 2 - don't know if they do 2 year ones) year crash course at a crammer - but those are essentially private school and don't come cheap at all.

EvilTwins · 08/06/2019 21:44

EWO wouldn’t get involved as KS5 is above statutory education age.

S will be blanket for study leave and probably put in by whoever is in charge of attendance at the school.

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