Dozens of “Outstanding” schools downgraded after not being inspected for years

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Girls school starts with a P?

The primary my DD went to was Outstanding...last inspected in 2007! So much has changed, - the Head, and nearly every teacher is new. Kids are typically being tutored from year 4 onwards. Everyone is waiting for them to be inspected, I think they'd do well to get Good now. They were certainly terrible with SEN, to the point that the Deputy said, at perspective parents evening, 'we don't believe in Dyslexia'.

No inspections until grades crash, or there are complaints is a terrible idea.

Noble - yikes!

Although, I am rather jealous that there are some newer teachers out there who have never experienced an OFSTED!

Yep, a few secondaries in Kent haven’t been inspected since 2008 due to their outstanding status. I mean, one of them has moved to the IB for Sixth Form in that time, you’d think OFSTED might at least want to check it out! I’m always saying to other people when the topic of schools comes up, that you can’t assume an outstanding school is the best and vice versa because of this reason. They are always shocked. Another think Gove wanted to keep quiet

My DC are at a similar school Namechange. I wonder if it's the same one? I'm desperate for them to have an Ofsted but their results never go down.

It really annoys me outstanding schools aren't inspected. It also annoys me when school mum's boast about their child's school being Outstanding when in fact it's much worse than a nearby 'Good' school!

Going beyond the headlines and hype..

I am an ISI person, so not totally up to date with Ofsted.

A school gets rated outstanding so are told they will be inspected again in six years rather than three. Given limited resources, this sounds reasonable.

After six years, some schools face fallen off the perch. Again, sounds reasonable. There is nowhere for them to go but downwards.

My son started at one of those outstanding schools that hadn't been inspected for 8 years.

It became pretty obvious that this was nothing like outstanding (his primary was a great outstanding school). We ended up moving schools and now he's thriving.

The school has recently been inspected and graded 'RI' it's a teaching school too.

Many parents seemed shocked, but it did not surprise me at all. I'm sure it will improve again, but standards slipped over the years and had it been inspected sooner then they might have been able to stop that decline before it reached the stage.

Learning that "outstanding" schools are exempt from regular Ofsted inspections is one of the most shocking things I ever learned from Mumsnet. It's completely nuts!

My daughter attends a supposedly outstanding school. Last inspected in 2008, converted to an academy in 2011,had a new headteacher 3 years ago and yet the acedemy has NEVER been inspected. It’s beyond a joke! No way is outstanding!!!! I’d be surprised if it even got a good.

The outstanding secondary close to me where everyone wants to send their kids was last inspected in 2008. I told a colleague whose dc go there and he was shocked. Every teacher could be different! Any amount of processes could have changed. The kids get good results because only rich mc people can afford to live in the catchment.

The Ofsted framework is changing in September, and there will be less emphasis on pure results (more on breadth of education etc). So some of those schools that would under previous frameworks never have got Outstanding might very well be in with a shot now.

One primary near us has just been inspected for the first time since before my now-Y6 DD was born (it's not her school). It's gone from Outstanding to Good, the Ofsted report is still great, but there is a cohort of parents who are up in arms about it . It's much harder to get an Outstanding rating under the current framework than it was 10+ years ago. Will be interesting to see how those schools which focus on SATS scores and league tables above all else fare under the new regime...

Gnome, do you know why Ofsted visited? Did something trigger the inspection?

I work as a science technician in a school that was rated outstanding in 2012. Just been inspected a few weeks ago and now requires improvement. Not surprised at all. Agree the exemption should never have been in place.

The local outstanding secondary school was last inspected 11 years ago! Nearly a full education cycle for a child. Shocking really.

The school I work at is the same as pointythings - it'll never get an Outstanding, but bloody hell it should do. The teachers and SLT go above and beyond constantly and especially for the kids that the world has already given up on.

DDs Secondary went from Outstanding to RI last year after not being inspected for 8 years. We didn't 'pick it' as such (catchment school), but we certainly felt good about DD going there when we moved to this area. But I could see the cracks right from the start - the RI grading vindicated my feelings about it.

DD is doing OK, but that's down to her, not the school. Other kids, nice kids that just aren't as determined, or have had a harder upbringing, aren't. The school is failing them.

Giving so many schools an exemption has let so many children down.

This doesn't surprise me at all. A school that is 'merely' good knows it will have to keep working to maintain that rating against changing goalposts, and this is what has happened to the school my DDs attend. An 'Outstanding' school that knows it is exempt from scrutiny has no incentive to look at what it is doing and deal with anything that might be slipping.

My DDs' school will never be Outstanding. It has a subset of all its cohort which comes from a background where education is not valued and understood. That's sad for those kids. But our school is great at getting the best out of everyone. No-one is allowed to coast - there is revision support tailored for everyone, no matter what their aspirations. Pastoral care is amazing; bullying is cracked down on hard. There's no nonsense about super strict uniform with logos on everything - instead there is pragmatism.

I'd honestly recommend it to anyone.

Yes I agree Knope my eldest's son secondary modern was rated good. We actually thought it was outstanding. It had some of the most caring inspirational teachers I have ever met. Whereas the teaching at the outstanding grammar is weak in comparison.

The Outstanding secondary school less than 5 minutes from my house hasn't been inspected for much longer than the Good schools slightly further away and it wasn't actually that great when I looked round (applying for a job) I would definitely choose the Good ones over the Outstanding because I can be more sure they are still of a decent standard behind the fanfare of open days etc

Oh, I did not know this.

Selfishly, it makes me feel better for having chosen a merely "good"' comp over the "outstanding" one for the kids

It was a really difficult choice, I only had the information from the open evening and also had the Ofsted report. At the time my oldest child was doing really well at our local secondary modern, so we obviously did consider that school to. Youngest Ds passed the 11+ with a very high mark and had no formal tutoring. I thought that he was exactly the right child for a grammar school, he is not, well not for this grammar anyway.

I can understand that Ofsted would have no idea of behaviour or other things that may be going. I still do believe 8 years is way too long to go uninspected even if the school is producing good exam results and statistics.

Why did you choose this school, Punx?

The new inspection framework will inspect behaviour and attitudes to learning so how the school deals with issues will be scrutinised as well as attitudes to learning. However behaviour isn’t evaluated before Ofsted arrive as it’s not publicly reported. How does Ofsted know, in advance, about poor behaviour and drugs? Therefore inspections tend to be triggered by educational aspects which are subject to annual stats.

Of course it should have been inspected more recently.