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Twins got places in different secondary schools

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Jojokay · 04/03/2019 11:31

Hi, wonder if anyone has any advice/experience of this? We've been offered places at two different schools for our twins. One is a preferred school and the other one is our third choice. While both of the schools have a sibling admissions policy, they don't have a multiple births one. So they understand its easier if your kids go to the same secondary school, but only if they're not the same age?

Wondering if anyone had any experience of successfully appealing on these grounds? or would it be a case of hoping for the best with the waiting list?

Would be grateful for any advice!

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ittakes2 · 06/06/2019 09:30

Sorry missed your post - congratulations!

ittakes2 · 06/06/2019 09:29

I have twins and was looking into the same issue at one point. It may be different from your high schools - but the sibling policy in our high schools is so far down the list that it made it irrelevant. ie kids in catchment and teachers kids all got in before siblings.
I think others must be right though - your 2nd twin should in theory be first on the waiting list and if they are not you would need to ask them why. At this stage I think you will find there is movement before school starts and fingers crossed you will get lucky. We have 120 year 7s in our local high school and I did not expect there to be movement before September but there was.

Jojokay · 05/06/2019 19:40

Little update on this one - just found out we won the appeal, which we're really pleased about. Twins are happy so its its good all round. Thanks for all the suggestions on this feed!

Also found out today that the appeals board generally let twins in anyway and the school were expecting her to get a place. Glad it all worked out in the end, but does seem like an unnecessarily stressful system. And now the school has exceeded its pan again, so maybe nothing that a little rethinking of the admissions policy wouldn't fix.

All being well secondary admission isn't something we have to think about again, and I am relieved!

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BigSandyBalls2015 · 15/03/2019 09:43

Crazy system. This is def worth an appeal OP and one that will probably win, unlike most!

My twins (also croydon!) were on a waiting list for their preferred school and one got s place a few weeks before the other so I thought I was facing this. Luckily another place came up before the start of term.

Good luck.

carben · 15/03/2019 09:36

Forgot to say the school operated a banding entry system where they were tested and placed into the relevant band. Sibling policy was then applied to each band and then a lottery following this.

carben · 15/03/2019 09:28

This happened to us. Appealed but lost. Twin started at second choice school but the first week of starting was offered preferred school from the waiting list. Because her twin had started at preferred school she was top of the waiting list because of the sibling policy! Cost a fortune having to buy in effect three sets of uniform.

youarenotkiddingme · 14/03/2019 16:18

All local secondaries to me (7 within 5 miles) have the multiple births rule

youarenotkiddingme · 14/03/2019 16:14

My sons secondary have this policy. PAn doesn't change though.

PanelChair · 14/03/2019 15:17

Was that for primary schools, though, youarenotkiddingme? Such an arrangement is pretty common for primary schools but much less so for secondary schools - I’m not aware of it for any near me.

youarenotkiddingme · 13/03/2019 16:34

Wow I've never known this.

Every school admission I've read have said that where the last admitted person within the pan is a multiple then the multiples will be included. But if pupils leave they then won't admit more until they are under pan for that year group.

Echobelly · 13/03/2019 16:28

This seems to have happened with twins in DD year too - she thinks they put the same choices but we offered different places

ittakes2 · 13/03/2019 11:53

Did you contact the council Make sure you ask about twin 2 being put on the waitlist for the school you want as soon as possible.

giggly · 05/03/2019 00:26

The English school system totally baffles meConfused Thank fuck I live in Scotland and we’re terribly sensible and ( mostly) send our kids to their local schools.
As you were Wink

PanelChair · 05/03/2019 00:05

I agree that this might be an error, or the first twin might have got the last available place, but it could turn out to be a result of the twins being in different bands with different admission distances.

Lougle · 04/03/2019 22:21

Also, as stated earlier, any sibling criteria will depend on whether it is sibling (sibling on roll) in which case that won't apply until September 1st, or sibling (sibling accepted place) in which case that could apply immediately.

Lougle · 04/03/2019 22:20

Sibling only trumps distance if the admissions criteria says it does, and if it doesn't, then any late applicants in catchment or closer than the OP's twin 2 will be ahead of them in the queue. Without knowing what order the admissions criteria is in, it's impossible to say.

Hullaballooooo · 04/03/2019 21:45

Just saw this story in the news so if this isn't you then you're not alone:

https://inews.co.uk/news/education/school-offers-twins-split-up-first-choice-worthing/

Pretty crappy situation, can't believe there is no policy for this!

MyDcAreMarvel · 04/03/2019 20:43

Eigercounter there is no older sibling.

RandomMess · 04/03/2019 20:06

Surely once on the waiting list the twin goes to the top because they have a sibling at the school (offer has been accepted) and sibling priority trumps distance...

Eigercounter · 04/03/2019 20:05

Appeal. If twin 1 is allowed to claim sibling status with the older sibling, then surely twin 2 has the same relationship to the older sibling and can therefore also claim sibling status based on that relationship.

Equally, in the county in which I work, sibling status is afforded if a child has a sibling who holds and has accepted an offer of a place at that school. So therefore, in my county, twin 2 would have double sibling status - i.e., sibling to the older child, and sibling to twin 1 (not 'double sibling' status is a thing!).

Fourmagpies · 04/03/2019 20:04

Not all schools allocate on distance. The twins at different schools happened to someone I know. Twin 2 was allocated a school across town and had to start there before the sibling kicked in when twin 1 started in September and then it still took a few weeks to sort out. It's a ridiculous system.

HighOverTheFenceLeapsSunnyJim · 04/03/2019 19:59

Blimey. Sounds ridiculous. Seem most likely that it is a mistake?

moofolk · 04/03/2019 17:56

Appeal!

HotpotLawyer · 04/03/2019 17:51

Have they said why the respective twin did not get a place in each school?
What was the reason for Twin 2 not getting your first preference?

HotpotLawyer · 04/03/2019 17:48

Admission "Because of the way that the admission criteria system works, one twin must have been allocated the last available place and one must be the next on the agreed list. The only other possibility is a mistake in the admission criteria order."

What if the school operates 'fair banding' and one twin was in a band with a really big distance and the other into a band with a very small reach? The second twin could be quit a way down that band in terms of distance.

At a school near me some bands are more than twice the distance as others, in some years.