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Starting secondary support thread 2

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PenguinPandas · 09/01/2019 23:55

Support thread continued.

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PenguinPandas · 30/01/2019 11:57

Sorry to hear your are having problems with primary school Dobbins, saw other thread too - think they need to move him somewhere quiet not another classroom - mine used to get the library, sensory room was tried but that used to lead him to do things to get with the soft things. You must be superwoman to deal with this x4.

DD returned to school yesterday, still unwell, but managed school and youth club and to be rude to me Hmm but DS had another bad day. I have started feeling really ill and school are insisting on a meeting and saying only the mother can attend as psychologist said having mother at meeting is "imperative". Wonder if its ever imperative to have the Dad there or does being male make them completely unknowledgeable. They are still trying to get it at our house. Atm I've got fever, migraine, feel sick and am ignoring it - they've been offered a meeting with DH, I am not meeting them really ill. DS is also getting very upset at the idea he has to be at meeting so its causing stress all round.

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DobbinsVeil · 28/01/2019 10:19

Sorry the weekend thing had to be cancelled cheminotte. Sleep and anxiety problems are just so hard to deal with, it's something DS1 really struggles with.

Hooray for the inset day penguins. Hope you all enjoy a restful day.

I'm having major hassles with DS3's primary school. I've been in to the Exec Head but I am still seething at a phonecall I had on Friday from the Yr 5 teacher (DS3 is Yr1 has ASD loads of ongoing sagas). Basically telling me off. You know when you just can't let something go? It's that!

DS2 went off to school but his eyes were sore again. He'd had medicine but I am half-expecting either a call to collect him, or text from him complaining.

PenguinPandas · 28/01/2019 07:42

Sorry to hear that Cheminotte Hopefully will be better after a rest.

Teacher training day here so extra day off which is great as DS needs a break and DD is still sleeping most of the day though makes a change from struggling to get her to sleep at all.

Hope everyone had a good weekend. Just a quiet one here, DS fed the lemurs at our village zoo but otherwise just resting.

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cheminotte · 28/01/2019 07:05

Insisting on parenting classes is ridiculous. There may be the odd strategy you haven’t tried but it’s not going to change any underlying conditions and some parenting strategies make things worse.
DS has been sleeping badly on and off since being back in Jan and last week got himself in such a state from lack of sleep that they sent him home. He had been worrying about something we were doing at the weekend and the need to get homework out of the way during the week in order to do it. So he ended up ill and we didn’t do the weekend thing after all.

cheminotte · 26/01/2019 15:44

Hi everyone. Just spotted new thread. Will catch up.

PenguinPandas · 25/01/2019 18:30

I'm wondering if its not disability discrimination as its delaying children getting diagnosis, trying to change them through parenting courses implying autism is a fault etc. May try complaint as think its disadvantaging ASD kids.

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DobbinsVeil · 25/01/2019 18:01

I'd definitely see how the NHS referral progress first anyway Penguins. Probably worth a dig around to see if they're even allowed to stipulate you must have completed all that stuff before they'll even put you on the diagnosis pathway. Possibly PALS may be able to help there. My feeling is probably not

PenguinPandas · 25/01/2019 17:00

Thanks Dobbins Private one would be worth considering though we are a bit tight with money atm as got 2 houses until sell old one and and have to renovate and clear old house first which is proving difficult from here with numerous DC dramas. Once we've sold we will be fine again but no idea how long that will be. But that could be the best solution.

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DobbinsVeil · 25/01/2019 16:26

That sounds like overkill on what they expect before ASD assessment. penguins. You've had the Ed Psych involved, plus school observations, surely that should be sufficient. Is going private an option? You shouldn't have to and the assessments are ££££ but a private dx should be accepted by the LA etc.

PenguinPandas · 25/01/2019 15:06

Got message from Head saying will get senco to do referral and at same time got message from senco saying get doctors to do it. So I phoned ASD assessment place - they said they reject a lot of doctor referrals so best if school do it. They said there are masses of forms and they won't see us initially until we have a Family support worker, Ed Psych, EHA and parenting classes. Great so they assume all kids with suspected ASD have terrible parents or maybe you can parent the ASD out plus we don't have time for this. Hopefully she was just very unhelpful and its not that bad but sounded like we are taking years not months for help from them and they are trying to make it as difficult as possible to get diagnosis.

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PenguinPandas · 25/01/2019 12:12

From what DD said the teacher at our school went in pulled back the duvet and gets child out of bed then takes them to school. Not sure had much effect as ended up pregnant at 16. It's good they care so much but they are quite ott at times.

DS now home and seems happy, says he feels poorly and a bit tired so might be why he was unsettled at school. Head was lovely asking what more they could do to help him and said she'ld seen him in class the other day and he's amazing. The school will do referral.

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Aventurine · 25/01/2019 11:57

On Educating Manchester the mother was there too and i think it was a case of calling to the child from the door. They then drove a couple of kids to school

PenguinPandas · 25/01/2019 10:55

Senco e-mailed through who does assessment in our area and I phoned them and apparently GP or school can refer and woman thought both pretty useless Grin. Though school makes more sense to refer in a lot of ways as its them with the issue but yes we wondered about home ed kids too. Plus some people have issues at home not at school.

Interesting other schools take out of bed too, surprised they are doing that as would have thought could leave them open to abuse allegations. Head has just called and we have to collect DS.

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Aventurine · 25/01/2019 09:52

They did that going round houses to get kids out of bed on Educating Manchester. They then drove them to school

DobbinsVeil · 25/01/2019 09:48

Poor DD, hope she's feeling better soon. Very frustrating about the ASD referral - it's a bit odd really as what if you were Home Ed etc? It's a medical diagnosis so it's a bit off to say referral has to come via education.

PenguinPandas · 25/01/2019 09:14

DD home again, hope not going to be this bad every month. DS gone off happily enough. DH told me doctors phoned and cancelled ASD referral saying needs to be via school, argh.

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Fork2fork · 24/01/2019 20:32

Think you are absolutely spot on Witches. I was super shy at school and can see him quite often step aside for other friendships to blossom rather than push himself on someone. I can visible see him take a step back. What doesn't help is he can quite often look grumpy and unapproachable (his cover for being shy) so trying to get him to work on his fixes smiley face.

Will encourage the social groups via the phone or gaming.

Really appreciate everyone advice

PenguinPandas · 24/01/2019 18:45

Gp thinks migraines and ruled out meningitis but just gave painkillers despite saying its linked to periods and she will have thid every period. They said they will consider hormone meds later after she's been ill more.

No idea when they were coming round. This school seem to invite themselves round to houses all the time, first day DS refused school said they could come round and get him, good luck with that. DDs friend said they used to come and get her sister out of bed each morning. 😱 Not sure if its a rural thing but very surprised they do this especially taking children out of beds. Her friends family are very poor and probably don't realise school shouldn't have been doing this, was well intentioned but they are very ott at times.

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Witchend · 24/01/2019 17:55

DD added who wants to discuss their failures Grin I guess she would!!

DobbinsVeil · 24/01/2019 16:42

That's hard Fork2fork. DS2 is quite shy socially, I think he maintains most of his friendships via playing Fortnite. Probably not great parenting, but hey it works for him.

Penguins, I've never heard of a school teacher inviting themselves round! Were they planning this during the school day, or in the evening? Sorry DD still so unwell, is she feeling poorly enough to agree to see the GP?

Had a message to say DS2 will get a detention for not handing French homework in. He's adamant he did but it's probably floating around in his bag. or blazer Hmm.

PenguinPandas · 24/01/2019 16:41

Thanks Witchend Called 111 and they were borderline on emergency doctors within hour or go to hospital so spoke to doctors at our surgery almost instantly and appointment at 5.20pm. They think migraine is most likely as same as in December but want to rule out meningitis as she has lots of symptoms - no rash and chin can touch chest. Probably off tomorrow as very bad still today and Monday is a teacher training day so should give good rest.

Sorry to hear yours are ill / anxious. Horrified reaction at school coming round from both kids - DD said that should be illegal and DS agreed. Told DS school had said he's missing a lot more lessons and want him to go to meeting to discuss his successes and failures. He said what failures, ridiculous and DD added who wants to discuss their failures. Did point out to school only successes and suggested improvements. He said nothing was wrong he just put a super effort in first two weeks and its unrealistic to expect that all the time. Grin

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Witchend · 24/01/2019 16:18

Ours do RE (or PRC as they call it-it always comes out as the shortened version of "Philosophy religion and cult" in reports as that's the maximum length. Makes me Grin) in year 10 too. Dd2 is not impressed, although I think she finds it quite early.

Fork it is hard for shy children to make friends, but also (observations from my dc) they tend to perceive everyone else is in non-approachable friendships so they don't, I was going to say make effort, but it's more feel that they can't push in. Children who are confident push in and then get accepted even if they're resented at first.

For my oldest, she'll always wait until the other child makes the first lead. She's so scared of being knocked back. Clubs don't really help except by meeting a different group and hoping that one of them will take her under their wing.
What did help for her, was texting and WhatsApp. Yes, you need to keep an eye on it. But she joined a few groups for homework and things like that. She wouldn't jump into a conversation in rl, but could reply on the group if she had something to say. Then the group started recognising that she had something useful to say and acknowledging it. Then she got the confidence to speak up in rl.

Dd2 finds bonding over doing something easier. So clubs work for her.

None of mine (nor me either) find making friends easy. I try and encourage mine to look for the other people who are struggling with friendships, but they're not very good at it.

Penguin hope your dd is better. That sounds a really nasty bug. Have you checked she has flexibility of her neck (kiss her knee) as I would want that checking?
I can just imagine what ds would say if school wanted to come here. I think "no" would be his politest reaction.

Dd2 is better but her anxiety is playing up a bit. Ds was off today because he says he was sick during the night. I suspect sick might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but he has major issues with being sick at school.
Hopefully he'll go back tomorrow.

PenguinPandas · 24/01/2019 14:28

Welcome Fork Sorry to hear your DS is alone so much.

My DD went to a school she knew no-one last year and struggled to start with to make friends, she joined lots of clubs and lots of friends by end of year so clubs do help. She's quite outgoing though which helps. This year we moved areas, DD hated last school and wanted to be closer to DHs work, so both kids knew no-one. DD made friends instantly and meets them after school a lot, DS has only just got his first one. I think friends will come but its hard until they do - is there anyone he would like to meetup with after school and maybe go to cinema or whatever they feel like, that might help.

SENCO has just messaged to say DS was better at start of term and now missing quite a few lessons, asked if we could all meet up maybe at our house and go through his successes and failures with him. He's going to love that suggestion. DD still really ill but refusing to see a doctor, may call 111 to check soon as such a violent headache, vomiting, fever, can't tolerate light, pain down one side, very dizzy, very drowsy, refused to eat for last few days apart from 1/2 a jacket twice though half school seem to be off so hopefully just a virus but no signs of improvement and its day 5.

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Fork2fork · 24/01/2019 12:54

Hi hope you don't mind me joining but feeling like I could do with some advice. DS (y7) is struggling at the moment and is feeling really isolated. He is shy which doesn't help and started school in Sept without knowing anyone. He did make 1 friend who left the school quite early in the year. He is spending lunch times wondering around on his own which is breaking my heart. He seems so sad and lonely. We spoke to school before Xmas and they could only really advise for him to join club's which he is doing but it's not materialising into friendships. Does it get better?

PenguinPandas · 24/01/2019 07:30

Sorry to hear about DS2 being tripped over on purpose, shame he doesn't know which delightful child that was.

DD is still very unwell and dizzy now with a hacking cough and temperature so will be off again today. Got her report through yesterday which seems to be improving. Turns out RE GCSE is now compulsory and they take it a year early, not too happy about that but doesn't look optional. Still RE is one of DS's best subjects - he got obsessed with it at primary and decided he was having a Muslim wife and was becoming half Muslim-half Christian. Grin

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