Child being changed classes mid year

If its "operational", it's a whole year thing, probably in order to get the right fit between teachers and students. They probably can't keep your DD in same groups as the whole set up will be changing, not just moving teachers or one or two kids between sets.

SEN aside - and it sounds like that might need more dialogue between you and school tbh - it seems disproportionate to be so upset, aged 14 at having to get used to a few new teachers/changes of timetable.

If she is thought to have adhd, has the medication route been tried / is it on the table?

I would trust the school and assume there was a reason for it. IMO year 9 is an important year because it's the last chance to get the foundations of a subject before they step it up for GCSE. We have quite a weak teacher and the kids love her but I will be changing the timetable after Christmas and taking all her exam classes and top set year 9 off her. It's not unusual to take high ability classes if teachers aren't showing they can handle them especially at this time of the year when they have had 1 half term for the problems to become apparent and 1 half term where the school have tried to intervene and for support to have failed

I don't understand your point either. Secondary classes are re-jigged regularly. Children are moved up and down in maths sets regularly. This is just a tiny bit more dramatic. But it's completely standard and normal.

Crying her eyes out is not a normal reaction to what is quite a mundane and regular occurrence at secondary (changing groups or changing teachers). What’s really the issue? Crush on the teacher? Is the stress of the diagnostic process manifesting itself as devastation at this minor change? You need a proper conversation about what’s going on in her head.

This seems a very dramatic post. She’s in Year 9, she’s not got important exams and so the only concern is she will have to get to know new teachers. I’m sure she will cope just as she did in September when she began a new school year.

I don’t think you’re understanding my point. I’m not saying your daughter hasn’t got her struggles but the school needs to make reasonable adjustments for her to be able to access school for herself as well as make sure she isn’t disturbing others. By the sounds of it a large class setting may not be suitable for her. Talk to your senco and raise your concerns as she needs to have things in place not only for GCSEs but knowing what helps her cope now will help her when she’s working etc

The shenanigans I'm referring to are a mother making endless excuses and not helping her child learn to live with and around her undiagnosed (!) learning need (which is what adhd is - not always a disability).

When the word "shenanigans" is used in relation to potential (and diagnosed) SEN, I'm out.
Unbelievable.

The staff will do a bit of a hand over to each other anyway, things like the SEN evaluation will be shared. Tell your dd not to worry and to enjoy the Christmas holiday.

That’s fair enough but as I said you need to escalate this and get her in a smaller class setting which has its own pros and cons. Not really fair for you to complain about a class full on NT kids and expect your child to have special treatment in that context. Yes she needs reasonable adjustments as the current ones are clearly not working so you need to escalate this with the senco and ask what other provision they can give her. I’m just concerned you may not like what they offer as she will most likely be with other kids like her.

But she doesn't have the diagnosis (yet). As previously mentioned, having sen does not always meet the legal threshold for dispensation. The sen needs to be so severe as to qualify as a disability (which has quite a high threshold).

She needs to learn to live her life even with any needs that she has. As I've said before, a boss or lecturer at university would not put up with these shenanigans. She needs to learn to live in the world - it won't completely conform to her. That is part of what school is for!

Just because she has adhd doesn't mean she can't learn to live with it in an acceptable manner (unless she is so severely adhd she requires meds and an ehcp, which is a bit of a different situation as she may never live a fully independent life in that situation).

It seems as if you are enabling some behaviour and making excuses for her instead of trying to help her adjust to life with or without adhd. As I've mentioned, adhd is not an excuse to mess up other people's learning. Help her find ways of doing that!

That was my thinking, xmasreindeer.
A diagnosis of ADHD suggests impulsivity is an issue. Not naughty and not something that can be learnt to control easily, hence me comparing it to Tourette's.I
I'm trying to understand some of the attitudes show here, in light of things like disability laws and reasonable adjustments.

The op's daughter is not suffering from Tourette's and does not have any diagnosis.

Even with a diagnosis, it isn't fair for her to disrupt the learning of others. They only have one chance at this - year 11 is high stakes. Persistent calling out to get others off task is not the same issue as Tourette's (which I haven't come across in 8 years in mainstream...).

Sorry disruptive*

Yes reasonable adjustments do come into play even before a diagnosis but in this case as well as any child that is being distributive this would most likely mean being placed in a class for kids like these specifically, which by the sounds of things isn’t what OP is looking for. Of course, if her daughter can’t stop due to her condition than this needs to be escalated and dealt with appropriately using the channels school has in place. Low level disruption is taken very seriously as it really effects all kids learning and isn’t fair, Sen or not. So I would suggest if OP wants to use the SEN argument you exhaust all possible avenues as you may end up in a scenario you like even less. A teacher understanding a bad class and letting them call out and not get in trouble isn’t understanding the class but is a teacher that’s exhausted and fed up.

physicskate, would that also apply to someone with Tourette's? Just wondering whether "reasonable adjustments" comes into the picture, if a child has a diagnosed condition that means they can't control their impulses?

Shouting out goes against school rules, and thus, presumably IS being 'naughty'!!! She's choosing to break rules. Not terribly defensible, so stop defending this poor behaviour.

She can only learn to control her own behaviour, which is an essential life skill, whatever diagnosis she has! How do you think her boss would react to such outbursts? And at university???

If she is at a school that has a year 9 intake it will just be a shuffle to deal with setting/streaming after having had a term to see where the children best fit.

She does need to stop shouting out whatever her diagnosis. Have you taught her be to count to say 20 etc to stop doing this? It is quite an effective method for many kids.

Don't secondary schools regularly reshuffle groups anyway? Plus teachers leave (DD has 3 teachers leaving at Christmas) and if you're in a school that sets DC move up and down sets etc.
Perhaps the point to focus on is that she needs to be more adaptable to change?