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Trinity/Whitgift 2019 thread

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enterparentone · 14/12/2018 17:04

Is there a thread yet for parents with kids doing entrance exams in Jan? It's been so helpful looking through previous years threads and now we're going through it I'd love a hand-hold and any advice on what to expect!

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walkingtheplank · 18/01/2019 15:56

Ginger - we're not reading too much into the recall. There was still quite a lot of boys there. DS was pleased to have been asked to go back as we've never been that confident of any offers based on his academic level.

There must have been quite a few interviews this week at ether school. How have they been for everyone?

gingershotting · 18/01/2019 15:47

anyone heard anything re 12 or 13+ W answers? I guess at that stage no news is still good news... trying to calm myself...

gingershotting · 18/01/2019 15:45

walkingtheplank -..sounds great re T sports recall

walkingtheplank · 18/01/2019 15:32

Ginger - he was at T. Good fun apparently.

W assessments aren't until next week and we wouldnt expect a recall - haven't even been contacted about an interview.

SpaceOpera · 18/01/2019 12:59

Do feel free to skip the long post below and thanks for all the info on weekends.

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Having read Wobbles21’s comment, I feel bad that I may have unnecessarily stressed out anyone by implying that daily prep is necessary for their son.

Since the parents know their boy best, it’s up to each one to devise a strategy, tailored to that child, that will lead to the exam result they desire.

For my son, extensive prepping and daily work were definitely necessary.

Here is how these helped him - not to scrape through or be artificially prepped - but to really develop all those neural connections that ensure a firm base for future learning. The strategy may well be different for your son. But knowing how I learn best (and how similar he is to me) determined my strategy for my son.

Things that he was not doing well that daily 10+ prep corrected:

  • Creative writing was really flat and the plots of his stories were poor. We used the 11-step lifeline method and his writing came on by leaps and bounds. The more he wrote, the more realistic, nuanced and well-plotted his stories became, with great vocab. Often I made him write the story three times from scratch, each time using the 11-step method more effectively.
  • He lost 10-20% of marks by making really silly errors in his best subject, Math. Daily practice with past papers under time constraints reduced them (but did not eliminate them). The amount of marks lost really jolted him into upping his focus.
  • His timed VR tests taught him to work accurately under pressure. He was one of very few who finished the Trinity VR test. I was told he got one of the highest scores they had seen.
  • As a corollary to the above, had I ensured he read classical children’s literature widely for some years before the exam, his comprehension would have been less superficial than it was - he tended to cherry-pick the ‘best fit’ answer from the text rather than understanding the characters’ underlying motives.

I know that my son’s best academic performances come when I immerse him in the subject over a period of time. His understanding - like mine - strengthens with repeated practice, leading to new insights in both English and Math. His problem-solving leapt ahead, so that just before the 10+, he was getting 70% in 11+ Math papers.

My goal was to be in a position where every school he applied for would see him as an outstanding candidate. Since he is under consideration for academic scholarships at both T and W, I feel personally fulfilled that I have read correctly how best he learns, devised the appropriate prep strategy, implemented it even on the days when it was difficult for both of us, and thereby taken him to the exam outcome I desired.

BlueandPink12, here’s wishing you find that same satisfaction using your own method and setting goals specific to your son ! Best of luck x

gingershotting · 18/01/2019 12:36

walkingtheplank at may I ask which school
Is your DS currently at sports recal? T or W?

walkingtheplank · 18/01/2019 12:12

And we're not going to prep him for the interviews. He's quite a sparky boy so I wouldn't want that to not come out because he was trying to remember the right way to answer.

BlueandPink12 · 18/01/2019 12:10

SpceOpera, my nephew is also at Trinity and was tutored for two years prior. He is doing well at the moment and does not have any commitments on the weekend (it’s inportant for us, some schools insist on sport during the weekend, but DS has orchestra on Saturday and Choir on Sunday, so we won’t be applying to Dulwich because they want boys to play football during the weekend).

walkingtheplank · 18/01/2019 12:10

DS currently at the sport recall. I doubt strongly that he'll be offered a scholarship but this discussion shows that it would mean quite a commitment. You'd have to be very clear on what you were signing up to!

Waterloo · 18/01/2019 11:59

It's now hockey season so many are playing that on Saturdays and then of course it's cricket. As my boy loves his sport, we are resigned to Sat am training and it's now just part of the week!

Waterloo · 18/01/2019 11:58

SpaceOpera - my son is a very keen rugby player and yes it's every Sat. I think they run teams A-F and not all are required every weekend but certainly the A and B would be as they have more matches. This weekend and next, no matches but still training at home which is a considerable car run for us. Also playing club rugby on Sun but not every week as too much and you need some down time plus homework is good to do at the weekend otherwise you get behind. They are regularly tested on all subjects and we have already had 2 reports since Sept with 4 grades in each subject however, it keeps them on their toes and undoubtedly must mean the end of year exams are less stressful as they've been continually tested along the way. Homework is fine but boys have to stay on top of it otherwise deadlines can creep up. Boys have to be organised pretty quickly (and so do the parents!).

Wobbles21 · 18/01/2019 11:52

Oh and they also organise history trips on Sundays and various English trips to theatres etc. All good fun and not compulsory but it is part of their ‘ keep them busy’attitude. I really doubt if a boy could cope if they required ongoing tutoring to keep up. Easier for some than others especially if you have done languages before - they have 3 languages In Year 7. If they are all new it’s a bit of a shocker

Wobbles21 · 18/01/2019 11:48

Don’t know about musics. Choristers have lots of commitments. If you are selected for a sports team you are expected to play . You need to plan for pretty much every weekend although in reality it’s probably closer to 2/3 of Saturdays - depending on the team you are in. Trinity is v organised and give clear instructions re meet ups etc. But des mean some early starts particularly if you don’t live close by. Last week it was an 8 am meet at Trinity for an away match. Planning homework around matches is a must. That’s exactly what I mean about being full on.

SpaceOpera · 18/01/2019 11:34

Waterloo please may I ask whether your son has something on EVERY Saturday morning? On average, how many Saturday mornings per month has he had to commit to the school?

If anyone has any additional knowledge of the Saturday commitments I would be grateful. Many thanks.

gingershotting · 18/01/2019 11:30

hi, I haven't heard anything for 12+ .

Waterloo · 18/01/2019 11:20

Wobbles21, yes I agree as my son also started this year. It's full on and we live quite far away so staying late is challenging. Also Sat mornings feels a bit like a school day as we are up early again in uniform for rugby matches and not back until lunchtime - however, that's the case in most secondary schools I think. Hard work and challenging subjects (3 languages in year 7) but the boys seem to love it. What is great is that they get a free period every day after lunch to do a club - all the sports that you could imagine or music or academics. It's all there but your son needs to be resourceful and find it. Good luck everyone - it's worth the stress as it really is a great school and full of genuine, down to earth chaps!

Wobbles21 · 18/01/2019 11:03

I would be a bit concerned about the ‘prepping every day’ . I really don’t think that is necessary. The interviews are relaxed not interrogations. Apart from telling DS to make eye contact and shake hands we did no prep and no tutoring. I am heartily glad of it. The work in year 7 is quite hard . If DS had been artificially groomed to get into the school I was be extremely worried that he would struggle . They make a lot of demands of the boys whether it’s sports; music drama etc. They are expected to join clubs and to get onto sports teams after school sport is required eg hockey training is twice a week after school TIL about 5:15 at the moment. If you scrape in or you are tutored or prepped to the hilt, you may find it all hits the fan.
We did nothing other than a few past papers at home and I can say he got into the school that suits him and that they picked him on his merits .
They are very good at this process: I would bet they can pick overly -prepared vs natural boys.

BlueandPink12 · 18/01/2019 10:55

SoaceOpera, thank you! And best luck to your son. Please let us know how it went.

Balancedmum74 · 18/01/2019 09:40

Has anyone had a rejection letter from Whitgift ? Had one sit 11+ on 10/1 and one sit 13+ on 14/1 haven't heard for either. If it's a No would rather know now so can manage it and work out plan b.

SpaceOpera · 18/01/2019 02:50

BlueandPink12 Mr Swinson not Swindon! The boy also has a W music audition on Wednesday - let’s see how that goes. Re Trinity interview - your son should just talk about what interests him. If he’s music-mad, no point coaching him otherwise because they’ll see through it and he won’t do himself justice. Best of luck, I prepped my son extensively and every day and it’s paid off (my gut feel is that he’ll get an offer but don’t know what kind). I also used 11 plus lifeline platinum membership and scoured the internet for sample 10+ papers. Cheers.

BlueandPink12 · 18/01/2019 00:39

SpaceOpera thank you so much for your post! I was not aware there was a music info session in Trinity. I hope your DS will get a music scholarship, sounds like he definitely deserves it.

Jige · 17/01/2019 22:28

Neveragain2019 thank you, any tips at this point is helpful! 😀
I agree the wait is long and painfull, but agree with SoupDragon that they’ve got one hell of a job sorting out interviews and scholarship assessments and communicating this as quickly as possible. And on top of this the running of school and normal lessons. My eldest DS is at W so I’ve already been through this process and feel your pain and completely understand. But glad you’ve heard from W, and all the best for your DS next Tues.

SpaceOpera · 17/01/2019 21:40

BlueandPink12 you must - must! - attend the T music information session in the autumn before your DS is due to sit the exam. He will get to play to the teachers informally and be given feedback on whether he has a scholarship chance. Mr Swindon (Director of Music) said that he had once given a scholarship to a boy who was Grade 1 on his main instrument.

What they are looking for is a ‘spark’ - a child they can mould into a musician who can represent T on the international stage for the 8 years he is there. So stamina, discipline, commitment and the ‘spark’ all count. Children should play pieces that show them at their best. So if you are going for Grade 6 then it has to be a bomb-proof performance. Personally I agree that working for the highest possible standard is best. But it is not true that a particular Grade is necessary. Mr S said grades, references etc are simply a starting point. They will make their own decision.

My son had won awards in various competitions (local and national) but I’m still not sure he’ll get a scholarship. On the day he played two contrasting Grade 5 pieces on his main instrument, one Grade 1 piece on his second instrument, sang, had a Grade 5 sight-reading test and an aural test. He also had to discuss what was difficult about each of his main pieces. He was not happy with his performance on his main instrument.

Mr S said he did ‘well’ but he may have been letting me down gently...HTH

SoupDragon · 17/01/2019 20:03

TBH, it's a huge and complicated operation. I don't think they can simply speed it up.

Neveragain2019 · 17/01/2019 19:43

I have just found the letter from W on our door mat. DS has been invited to the art assessment next Tuesday! Seriously, they should speed up this process. How many of us have to spend sleepless nights?
Well, another challenge is waiting for DS and he's getting nervous again.
DS had an art teacher for about a year to prepare art portfolios. DS is applying W only for 10+, so hasn't gone through all the process yet. Will let you know if we are successful. Wish him a good luck! :)