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DD can't sleep in boarding

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greenbuterfly · 24/10/2018 14:10

DD started boarding in September and seem to have developed a disrupted sleep pattern. She says she sleeps for only about 3 hours each night and falls asleep in lessons. She said some girls are noisy during the night. I think the change and the adrenaline of adapting to a new school together with some triggers/noises created a pattern / habit in which DD is now trapped. I discussed with the school and the messages are mixed. On one side they deny their is a problem because they are not aware of evidence of it, on the other teachers confirm that there is sleepiness in lessons. This half term at home DD goes to bed late and wakes up at 5 a.m. So clearly there is a problem.

Any ideas how to restore the normal sleep?
Did anyone experience this?

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Ifoundanacorn · 24/10/2018 18:05

So if it is a trigger you may need to address it differently possibly with something like CBT or similar especially if to DD has been badly affected by something in her dorm, and is being triggered each and every night. This is unlikely to get better without help and could get worse.

A creepy experience can be just as serious as anything else, esp if she is waking up alone in the middle of the night and can't sleep because she is scared. That can be quite a terrifying experience in itself if she feels threatened in some way.

I would explore CBT or move her to another dorm (if possible) for a few nights and see if it makes any difference.

It has clearly made a real impact on her if she is also suffering at home, effectively bringing it home with her.

greenbuterfly · 24/10/2018 17:52

This pattern of behaviour usually present when an adult or child is distressed and alert. It is not something she can over ride, as it is her body's response to her surroundings, telling her may not feel 'safe'. .. and it is quite difficult to overcome.

This is close to what I think is happening. A specific trigger in the room combined with the upheaval of the adjustment to a new school and boarding. I don't want to go into details, but I am aware of the specific problem in dorms that triggered this. It is not really a threat, but a creepy experience. It is not malicious / bad behaviour and is not easily if at all fixable by the school.

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Ifoundanacorn · 24/10/2018 17:31

I can see why you are worried, this will affect both her education and mental health, she has had a full term already so any issues should have settled down.

I am not sure I would be satisfied with the house mistress' response at all.

Is your dd homesick? Getting on okay with the other girls? Generally doing okay, or is it just all quite hard at the moment?

The flight or fight mode is probably stopping her from sleep. This pattern of behaviour usually present when an adult or child is distressed and alert. It is not something she can over ride, as it is her body's response to her surroundings, telling her may not feel 'safe'. I have had this too, and it is quite difficult to overcome. You need to know for sure that she is with kind and gentle girls, and is relaxed, and perhaps getting to the root of the problem in her dorm and why she isn't relaxed before sleeping is going to be the only way forward.

The school need to take it much more seriously.

The 'right' school is only right if she is doing well and coping, it isn't right if these things aren't happening. I would want a resolution by christmas at the very latest, make this clear to the school.

Can you flexi board? So she can catch up at the weekends?

greenbuterfly · 24/10/2018 17:30

She is really happy, but obviously it is a huge adjustment.

I also doubt they'd be staffed to do any 'sleep intervention' late at night/ very early
Yes, I think so too, hence I am scanning for a well tried quick fix

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OnceUponATimeInAmerica · 24/10/2018 17:29

OTT is jumping straight from a child who isn't sleeping well in a new environment to declaring that she is mentally ill and shouldn't be at a boarding school.

I had terrible sleep habits as a teen at boarding school, staying up chatting with friends, sleeping in the library during the day. I had a great time and was not mentally ill.

Maybe if she is an early riser, she just needs to go to bed earlier, with ear plugs, so she isn't disturbed by the noise, but has had enough sleep by 5am, if that is when she wakes naturally.

4point2fleet · 24/10/2018 17:24

Is it a mainstream or specialist school?

In my experience it is unusual for boarding house staff to do rounds in the middle of the night, I also doubt they'd be staffed to do any 'sleep intervention' late at night/ very early.

Could she swap to an individual room?

If it's a specialist school, I'd just talk to them and see what they generally do for poor sleepers.

BertrandRussell · 24/10/2018 17:24

Is she happy at school? Kx

CottonSock · 24/10/2018 17:21

I'm a bad sleeper. When it flares up badly I have needed treatment for anxiety and depression. It helped almost immediately.

Silicone ear plugs are my friend.

greenbuterfly · 24/10/2018 17:19

They didn't say there were unable to help, to be fair, just that they were seeing her sleeping, which is neither here nor there. I am just trying to define what I could ask for in the discussion with school which needs to follow soon.

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anniehm · 24/10/2018 17:18

It took my daughter half a term or so to get used to sharing her room at school, now she sleeps through anything. That said do try to see if there's any other problems, disturbed sleep can be indicative or other issues from mental health issues to hormones.

Rebecca36 · 24/10/2018 17:15

I sleep all night with ear plugs, they dull the sound of husband snoring! I also use a Vic nasal spray, don't know whether or not I need it but sometimes my nose has been a bit 'stuffy' and it helps. Get several pairs of ear plugs because they are easily lost and get dirty (I put mine in those little 'netty' bags in the washing machine).

An eye mask is a good idea but get one that's comfortable, I had one that irritated me terribly and wasn't worth the effort.

Just having a few props may settle your daughter but she is still adjusting, it's not always easy.

greenbuterfly · 24/10/2018 17:11

I can see now it was Barbarian's proposal for sleep restriction programme.

Any experience of what / how the school could do?

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Bestseller · 24/10/2018 17:11

If she's not sleeping at home either, then it's not to do with noises and earplugs aren't going to help.

I don't think it is unusual for some children to have trouble settling into boarding school and some will take longer than others to find their equilibrium.

OP obviously has her reasons for sending the child away for school in the first place so I doubt it's as straight forward as bringing her home.

I'd expect a boarding school to have experience of dealing with this though and that you'd be getting better advice from them, who know your child, than you will from a bunch of strangers on-line. It's very concerning if they are unable to help IMO.

Janus · 24/10/2018 17:10

Should say dd, blooming auto correct!

Janus · 24/10/2018 17:09

I expect the boarding school is nowhere near home so she couldn’t board during the day and come home at night.
However, this just sounds awful for your dad. Have you asked her if she’s worried about anything? If she enjoys school. If she said she hated it would you change? I say this knowing several people who have boarded and had long term effects from it, you must listen to your child for both of your long term good relations.

greenbuterfly · 24/10/2018 17:07

Yes, I am looking at the whole range of issues, I assure you, and in my judgement the way forward is to propose some specific things the school should do, but I don't know what exactly. I never faced this before, so I don't know all the answers.

Yes to trialing ear plugs.
Yes to some quiet settling down routine.

But what should I ask the school to do about middle of the night?
They say that they do regular rounds and in these rounds they see DD sleeping (it could be that DD underestimates her sleep hours, or that there are no rounds when she is awake), but in the morning when they come she is already awake. The latter also fits with DD waking up at 5 a.m. at home.

Is there a particular 'evidence based', 'scientific' method, programme, whatever thingy that I could ask the school to try for middle of the night/ early morning? (the method mentioned by someone above, does it have a name?)

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colditz · 24/10/2018 17:03

Don't go OTT?

WTF?

How is suggesting bringing a mentally ill child home going OTT?

Boarding school can be great! Your daughter is clearly not doing well overnight at boarding school, so bring her home. Send her in the day.

It's really NOT an OTT suggestion, I promise.

Luckyme2 · 24/10/2018 16:51

How old is she OP? My initial thoughts are that it could be anxiety related or shes just a very light sleeper. If its only started since shes been boarding i'd say more likely to be anxiety/homesickness (even if shes saying its not). I'm a light sleeper and love my ear plugs and eye mask. However i'm not sure if they'd be suitable for a child. Plus if she didnt need them at home I think you have to look at the other issues

steppemum · 24/10/2018 16:50

How old is she?
My dd for years was a disaster at sleepovers etc, as she just doesn't go to sleep when others are around. She is a bit hyper with a house full of people, and can't switch it off. I could imagine for her that boarding school would be like that.
That would also mean though that she was getting exhausted from not being bale to switch it off.

If that sounds like your dd, then I would work on her understanding herself a bit, and that she needs to wind down at bedtime. Reading, doing an adult colouring book, playing music quietly, building a deliberate calm down into her routine. Helping her to understand she needs to learn to switch off properly.
Could there be other things, eg someone has an alarm clock that ticks loudly?

It is concerning that the school is not taking it seriously, and I would follow up on that. A young teen sleeping 3 hours a night is not normal.

greenbuterfly · 24/10/2018 16:47

colditz, please don't go OTT, I am posting for advice and talking to the school, so obviously I take it seriously, and obviously I want insomnia to go away ASAP, nobody wants it to become permanent, surely. I am mindful of DD MH.

Any experience of how the school could handle this? What support from the school works?

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MyDcAreMarvel · 24/10/2018 16:42

Muffles earplugs from boots are fab. Why is she at boarding school does she have asd?

ItsJustTheOneSwanActually · 24/10/2018 16:41

I had to use earplugs this summer on holiday and thought i'd never get on with them as I have really narrow ear canals (earbuds are murder)

but I used the really squishy foam ones - you sort of roll them into a point, put them in and they expand.

so comfy - slept like a baby!

FFSFFSFFS · 24/10/2018 16:38

insomnia is a normal response to being separated from your family and sent away

this

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