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DD can't sleep in boarding

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greenbuterfly · 24/10/2018 14:10

DD started boarding in September and seem to have developed a disrupted sleep pattern. She says she sleeps for only about 3 hours each night and falls asleep in lessons. She said some girls are noisy during the night. I think the change and the adrenaline of adapting to a new school together with some triggers/noises created a pattern / habit in which DD is now trapped. I discussed with the school and the messages are mixed. On one side they deny their is a problem because they are not aware of evidence of it, on the other teachers confirm that there is sleepiness in lessons. This half term at home DD goes to bed late and wakes up at 5 a.m. So clearly there is a problem.

Any ideas how to restore the normal sleep?
Did anyone experience this?

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PhilomenaDeathsHeadHawkMoth · 24/10/2018 20:28

If she's used to sleeping on her own, I can see why that would be a problem. My 2 youngest are in bunks, and when DD2's away, DS2 has trouble sleeping, even though he's asleep when she comes to bed.

ivykaty44 · 24/10/2018 20:25

If your dd moved rooms and her sleep reverts to normal. - job done. If the move proves that it’s nit the dormitory then it’s process of elimination , but it will also be another upheaval and unsettling.
Are there other process if eliminations that can be tried first

errorofjudgement · 24/10/2018 20:21

At DDs school they’ve already had a mini switch around in a couple of the dorms, and will almost certainly have another when the girls go back after Christmas.
I think if there was an unsettling incident in your DDs current dorm then a move might be all she needs to get settled.
Also you say your DD is in room with 11-13 year olds, would it be possible for her just to be with girls her own age/year group?

greenbuterfly · 24/10/2018 20:11

Fit bit - great suggestion, I didn't know it could do that. It is a simple thing to do. That would establish the facts.

Phenergan - the school would object, but that puts pressure on them to do something else.

Any apps that work miracles, like putting you to sleep fast? (Personally I hate mindfulness apps, so I am not a good judge)

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NancyJoan · 24/10/2018 20:06

I would start with asking that she move dorms. Once it’s done, they may need to make no more interventions, so they will probably readily agree, if there’s a space. Is there someone she would like to share with?

GreedyBastard · 24/10/2018 20:05

From what you're saying is a trigger of some sort is within the room? or from domeone who is is the room? So you already know the problem ask for her to be moved rooms.

Lonesurvivor · 24/10/2018 20:05

Hard and all as this seems to be for you to accept, you are the girls parent, it's up to you to make sure your dd has a safe, happy home environment.

ivykaty44 · 24/10/2018 20:01

I would suspect stress is the cause

fikel · 24/10/2018 19:58

She probably just needs you and the safe feeling that being in your own bed and home brings.

greenbuterfly · 24/10/2018 19:54

ghost sighting or something?
I wish I could laugh it off. I suppose it gives me an idea - to discuss with DD treating the issue as a ghost sighting, as a hilarious non issue, not reacting to it etc.

As I said, I can't go into details, because they are very particular. It would be inappropriate for me to describe exactly the trigger. It is a justifyingly sensitive matter. Nothing criminal, nothing sinister, nothing occult or religious, nothing dangerous, nothing ill willed or bad behaved, nothing uncaring or wrongful from the school. Just unfortunate circumstances.

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wigglybeezer · 24/10/2018 19:51

I suffer from insomnia like this from time to time, I have found taking a phenergan tablet in the evening makes me sleepy earlier in the evening and although I do still tend to wake in the small hours I fall back to sleep much more quickly. phenergan is an old safe anti histamine also marketed for travel sickness, nausea and insomnia, its cheap and available over the counter and can be used by children. I find it useful to break a cycle of insomnia ( usually caused by stress or a fright) and take it for two or three days ( it's not recommended for more than a week unless on prescription). I do need a large coffee to get me going the next morning though!

Oratory1 · 24/10/2018 19:50

I also thought Fitbit to see for certain how much she is actually sleeping. V surprised school seem to be brushing this off. Sounds like it may well be anxiety or MH related, or it may be noises/triggers and a sensitive sleeper, or if happening at home too may just be too tempting to be up late chatting or on line etc and then can’t sleep (you mentioned if she had a device in the night she would be gaming). Only OP will be able to guess at the reasons - but I would have expected a boarding school with any decent type of pastoral care to want to get to the bottom of it

Longtalljosie · 24/10/2018 19:44

I would be wary of restricting sleep further. Generally sleep disorders involve letting her sleep when she’s tired.

I boarded. Much was made of how if you were any sort of a person you’d love it. Lots of my friends still say they loved it until after their 3rd glass of wine. Talk to her without preconceptions and tell her you won’t be disappointed in her if she hates it.

Applesandpears23 · 24/10/2018 19:38

Can she swim in the evening? Or do some other physical activity. That will give her good endorphins and help her to feel tired at the right time.

NearlySchoolTimeAgain · 24/10/2018 19:36

I like wax earplugs best - I get them from Home Bargains.

What about a watch like a fit bit - that would give a good indication of her sleep routine.

There’s a good mindfulness app on the Apple watch. You could monitor heart rate then too which might give you some insight.

greenbuterfly · 24/10/2018 19:32

flumpy, it's half term, DD is at home and the school is closed. And obviously I am stepping in and started talking to the school before the break.

It is a complex problem and I am looking for practical, feasible solutions I can ask the school to implement fast. As a first starting step.

I would love to hear about experiences dealing with the school in similar situations.

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NannyMcfanny · 24/10/2018 19:29

I can recommend Max-lite earplugs, you can get them on ebay.
They are the only ones that don't hurt my ears because they are so soft.

RelicHunter · 24/10/2018 19:27

Thinking along same lines as Bertrand, was there a ghost sighting or something?

BertrandRussell · 24/10/2018 19:24

Was it a ouiji board or something like that?

flumpybear · 24/10/2018 19:11

This all sounds very unsavoury!
Your kid is very young and loves away, she can't sleep
She's living at a new school she doesn't know and knows nobody there
There was an 'incident' which has had led to a relatively long term upsetting reaction
She's sleeping in lessons
The school isn't responding
You're not stepping in
Your child is suffering

I'd be in the car by now

BerriesandLeaves · 24/10/2018 18:32

On one side they deny their is a problem because they are not aware of evidence of it, on the other teachers confirm that there is sleepiness in lessons
So your dd saying she is having sleeping problems is not enough for them, they want evidence?

greenbuterfly · 24/10/2018 18:30

There are 4 girls in the room. They are different age, 11 to 13 years old. I don't know how the other girls responded to the trigger. DD says they are also 'annoyed'. They are all aware of it. It is definitely not the case that DD feels unsafe or uncared for on a rational level. She is not at risk of harm. It is just that subliminal fight or flight physiological response to a huge adjustment combined with a specific trigger. I can obviously see how the trigger could be perceived, experienced by DD as someone frightening, hence I called it creepy.

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Oldbutstillgotit · 24/10/2018 18:17

How many girls are in the dorm and what age ?

greenbuterfly · 24/10/2018 18:15

I think I should be arguing that moving DD to a different dorm might break the pattern and remove the trigger. Unless they are prepared to go for complex middle of the night sleep intervention that they are not funded for. I agree that it will get worse if not dealt with quickly.

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Ifoundanacorn · 24/10/2018 18:12

Work on the causes of the triggers and the creepy experience, it may be that when she feels triggered by her experience she is taught to stroke her teddy or to visualise a calm and happy place, meditate etc.

You may need some professional help if you want to see a solution sooner rather than later, I would not advise leaving this just to resolve though, chances are it will continue to play out.

If you can do this with her during the holidays, and resolve it at home she may manage much better at school.

Keep supporting and listening to her. Flowers

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