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Which Devon grammar for DD?

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Tabbyabby · 23/10/2018 10:45

Help! Trying to decide by the weekend which of the South Devon Grammars to go for but we currently live in the West Midlands - very last minute as DH only got new job at the end of August.
We are relocating to the Exeter area for DH's job and DD, currently yr6, has passed the 11+ with eligible scores for both Colyton and Torquay Girls.
We have visited both schools, but have only seen each one for about an hour and cannot revisit as this week is Devon half term.
It would be really helpful to hear how girls , particularly, fare at Colyton - we weren't able to speak to any pupils when we were there - and what the extra-curricular offer is like there. DD is academic, esp languages and sciences and loves reading, but also loves the outdoors, climbing trees, swimming and singing.

Wonder also about the pastoral side?
Re Torquay Girls - most comments on MN very positive and seemed a happy school but noticed skirts turned over at waistband, immaculate hair and make up etc ( though didn't meet many girls) and wonder if there is much pressure to conform or bullying or whether all types of girl are included and supported by their peers as well as staff?
And any other advice/comments welcome! It's very difficult making the choice from a long distance without any prior knowledge of the schools.
Thanks in advance!

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QuickWash · 31/10/2018 09:28

If I had free choice I'd go for Colyton and move to East Devon.

There are lots of young people at Colyton from Exeter with good buses. Villages/suburbs to the east of Exeter offer good access to the m5/a30 and the Waterloo train line ie Cranbrook, Whimple, Pinhoe, FENITON and all are easy reach of Exeter via public transport for teen activities and outings.

Tabbyabby · 30/10/2018 17:51

Thank you!
Tinty and Goodbyestranger, my DD delighted to hear of the drama productions. And of course the non-uniform days and charity fundraising. She loved the idea of excellent STEM competitions too - it's all about a mix of arts and science with her at the moment.
Barry the Kestrel - yes, thank you, flooding is going onto our list of "must not haves" in looking for somewhere to live. It's clearly a key factor in choosing a location in East Devon.

Thank you, also, everyone who has commented on the positives and negatives of all-girls education. I went to a mixed comp and DH went to all-boys so unfamiliar territory for us and it has been really helpful to hear comments from both sides of the debate.

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goodbyestranger · 30/10/2018 11:55

Tinty all I can say is that almost all of all of my DCs' friends and each of my four DDs have worn (or wear) make up. Not masses, but certainly some - mascara, eye liner etc. I'd be irritated by a no make rule which was enforced. Excessive make up probably doesn't have a place but for a lot of people it boosts confidence, especially in the later teenage years. Good luck to a zero policy on make up - it would be appropriate for it to apply to all members of staff too :)

BarryTheKestrel · 30/10/2018 11:14

I had a few friends go to Colyton and all enjoyed it and have gone on to great successes too. The friends I had at Maynard's all found the single sex aspect to be an issue as there were no boys to break up the hormonal bitchiness that can come with a huge group of girls together daily. The mixed schools definitely had better friendship groups.

Where ever you look to live, avoid Sidbury. A friend's parents house there has flooded multiple times in recent years causing thousands of pounds worth of damage and they can no longer get any decent insurance due to this. Most villages in East Devon are around rivers, check the flood risk before buying anything.

Tinty · 30/10/2018 11:10

goodbyestranger I am just going by the school uniform regulations and the fact that my DD and none of her friends wear make up. They don't at weekends either though.

goodbyestranger · 30/10/2018 10:47

Tinty I'm just wondering where you get the no make up thing at Colyton from!!!! (as in, there's make up galore - very normal amounts of make up. Indeed the school hasn't yet returned any of my DDs home for contravention of make up rules and I suspect some would have kicked up quite a fuss if they hadn't been/ weren't allowed make up. They're also allowed freedom with all sorts of other aspects of appearance such as hairstyles etc. Very sensible too).

There are both productions led by the Drama dept and productions led by students. My DC have been in several.

I travel a lot outside the area and wouldn't choose a village for the few minutes it takes to get from the immediate Colyton area to the main arteries out (M5/ A303). That seems a topsy turvy way to choose a home unless you commute daily - but maybe I think differently from others on that.

Sidmouth is the only other place in the area I'd choose to live apart from where I live now (which is even prettier :)).

Good luck with your choice OP, if you haven't put in the form already. Agree with Malbecfan about single sex education. I'd possibly be ok with it for my boys but absolutely not for my girls.

Tinty · 30/10/2018 10:28

Hi Op they do have a theatre club at Colyton and put on plays, we have been to a couple, they are very good. They don't dress up for World Book day, but they have a wear a specific colour for certain charities with their uniform a couple of times a year. They have non uniform days every term pretty much.

They also enter into stem competitions each year, 4 teams from Colyton went to the London Science museum and one team won a trophy for the school. There were only 10 teams nationally and 4 were from Colyton.

They have also just got into the finals in Singapore for the F1 in schools competition!

They always compete with the local schools in sports and generally win a few of the competitions.

Bookpile2 · 30/10/2018 06:23

Grin That seems the right side of Devon for many. We regularly travel to London/ Surrey area(31/2 hours on A303)Bristol and Bath with ease.Confused Take other factors into consideration but travelling up country is really not an issue.

Tabbyabby · 29/10/2018 22:30

Thank you Tinty and Malbecfan! It really does seem that girls can have a really positive experience at Colyton. My DD is keen, and would love the sciency/tech clubs, but is hesitating because she also loves the look of the charity fundraising, dressing up for World Book Day and fancy dress (optional but DD would embrace it) sponsored walk at TGGS. And they don't really go in for school productions do they? Hoping I could substitute with youth theatre or similar...
Malbecfan, yes, we would need to get out of Devon on a regular basis to visit ageing parents, so travel is a factor. We like the look of Bovey Tracey, Chagford, Chudleigh... but obviously all on the wrong side of Devon! Where would you recommend in the East? Tentatively looking at Sidmouth...
Thank you again for the replies, the opinions and advice have made so much difference to making a very difficult decision.

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Malbecfan · 29/10/2018 19:58

Both are good schools and if your DD has passed the exams for both, well done her! I'm afraid I would not have considered TGGS (just as I wouldn't consider Maynard) because I am vehemently opposed to single sex education. I was forced through it and vowed that I would never subject my own daughters to it. For all those people who will no doubt tell me that boys will do much better in science and push the girls out of the way blah blah, it's not the case at Colyton. DD1 is studying science at Cambridge and DD2 is applying for science courses at present.

OP, if you are likely to have to travel north to visit family, you might be better off closer to the M5. Heading towards the South Hams, Dartmoor etc. will add to your journey time, especially in the summer.

Tinty · 29/10/2018 12:40

My DD is at Colyton and loves it. She is not at all a girly girl and is always in with the boys/girls doing science techy clubs at lunch.

DC are not allowed to wear make up at Colyton which I personally think is a good thing. The DC there don't seem bothered because no one wears it. I suspect there are some fantastic at natural looks wearing make up, but most don't bother.

I think they are quite hot on mental health issues, my dd tells me the school talk about good MH a lot. They also called me one day when my dd had been on a school trip with food provided and she hadn't eaten much. It was a really hot day and she had had a cake in the morning break and a banana for lunch. She didn't fancy the sandwiches provided. I thought it was quite good that they brought that to my attention.

The school is very good at keeping you informed about everything going on and they can do lots of different sporty or academic lunchtime clubs.

Tabbyabby · 25/10/2018 19:11

Thank you all so much for taking the time to reply in detail, it's all so helpful and though still undecided I am much less frazzled than I was 48 hours ago.
Gladrag thank you for sharing your DD's experience of TGGS, it's lovely to know that all kinds of girls can fit in there.

Dazed - thank you for answering my queries re body image etc - I'm sure you're right that it's present in every school, it's how prevalent it is and whether it's part of the school's informal culture, so good to know it's not a focus.
You are both right about thinking about where to live and transport- the problem is we don't have time to visit before the deadline! We're not keen to live in Exeter just because it's too big and would really like a village with a good sense of community, possibly a small town. We are a bit constrained by not having a huge budget for a house and wanting to make sure it's big enough to have people to stay as we're not from Devon and family and friends will have to stay .over when they come... Trying to balance that with choosing the right school
I will check out transport when looking at places to live - out of interest, how long do you think is manageable for a journey to school for senior school students?
Gladrag - I'm interested that you are a convert to all girls education - my DD and I can't work out which would be best - having some boys around to diffuse the girliness or having a bigger pool of girls in which to find friends?
You've all been brilliantly helpful, thank you!

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dazedandconfused18 · 25/10/2018 14:21

Op check out www.compare-school-performance.service.gov.uk if you haven't already...
Several bus companies run services to Colyton from as far out as Exeter, just for info I pay around £900 per year from a village halfway between Exeter and the school.

Gladrag2 · 25/10/2018 12:56

If you look on the school website you can see all the 3 coach company details. A&B run loads and lists all the pick ups which could give you living location ideas. Pretty sure there is a public bus stop some of their friends use directly outside school. But ring and check to be sure.

Gladrag2 · 25/10/2018 12:48

My dc's friends don't seem to have any problems with it to the station v near school. But. op you might want to check all transport to both. Private bus,public and trains.

goodbyestranger · 25/10/2018 10:43

(By its vulnerability, I mean not having all trains cancelled every time there's a puff of wind).

goodbyestranger · 25/10/2018 10:40

The gender split is now even - the uneven split was a historical blip lasting only a couple of years, maybe three.

Gladrag I'd really worry about the rail commute through Dawlish, until it's vulnerability is improved.

Gladrag2 · 25/10/2018 09:42

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Gladrag2 · 25/10/2018 07:15

I think you're splitting hairs when looking at the data. Both are clearly excellent schools and the pupil breakdown/ catchment is quite different. As I said TGGS has nearly double the. amount of PP kids although both are below the national average. Interestingly there seems to be a 55/45% boy/ girl split at Colyton. Are you happy with that?I have to say I'm a convert to girls only education. There a big advantages re confidence. My mousechild has blossomed.Look at other factors. What is the 6th form criteria and alternatives if she doesn't make it? There will be competition.Also where would you want to live? It goes so quick and you could end up staying after. Look at school bus routes and cost if a factor. Think about your commute.

dazedandconfused18 · 24/10/2018 23:26

In every pole I've seen and gov.uk site Colyton's results are better, (DofE rates them best co-ed school in England and highest scoring school in SW) however both are great (being selective of course they are!) and clearly other factors are as important. As pupils come from far afield, Colyon try to run many clubs at lunchtime, they are very varied across sports and arts. I haven't had cause to test their pastoral care, I may have been lucky there or maybe they are getting it right! Also no 'body image' issues that I am aware of, although I'm sure there is a an element of that at every school. Having experience of both, I'd say where you want to live is probably key. To the West of Exeter, TGGS and to the East, Colyton. Whilst I know children who go to to Colyton from North Devon & East Dorset (and I'm sure the same applies for TGGS) you do have to think how long you want your DD to be on a bus for twice a day.

Gladrag2 · 24/10/2018 22:41

What sort of place would you like to live in? Exeter is a lovely city but I like the beaches/ areas near the south hams and being near Dartmoor. Exeter can be less than half an hour away,many commute to Exeter for work.

Gladrag2 · 24/10/2018 22:33

My dd is in her third year and very qwerky, def not cool, no pressure to be.There seems to be a lot like her and a presumption that all are intellectual and bright.A strong work ethic seems to be the norm( not so much in my dd😂) They collaborate more with the boys in lessons at A level but travel together from year 7 and meet up on the shared paddock before school. Think the musicals are collaborations between both schools and there are discos for both together. My dc have friends at both schools and meet up with both outside of school. Not sure re phones. I know TBGS are v vigilant. Any spotted are confiscated. One of my boys lost his for checking a text between classes. You get an email. 😳 Not sure what the policy is at the girls, will ask dd.Dd is always going on about how nobody is ever naughty at her school . I’m sure that can’t be true but they do seem quite focused and very studious compared to her primary.

Tabbyabby · 24/10/2018 22:14

Thank you Dazed and Gladrag!
Dazed, interesting to hear from someone who knows both schools and thank you for the recommendations for villages. Have just had a quick look and realised I need to know more about their character and (sadly) flooding... We get flooding where we are now and I really should have thought of it before.
Gladrag - thank you! Fantastic to hear from someone with DC at TGGS having heard so much about Colyton. How long has/have your DD been at the school? I know nothing of TBGS, as obvs we aren't considering it, but understand that there is some collaboration - is this something your DC have benefited from?
Do you think it is acceptable among the girls to be bright/intellectual at TGGS? DD is both (though also loves dressing up and climbing trees) and I'd love her not to have to choose between "school" and "cool" as I had to (I went to a big city comprehensive) - I chose cool which seemed a good idea at the time but wasn't a great long-term strategy.
Have niggling doubts over whether body image is a big deal at TGGS and also the amount of phone use allowed in school (lunchtime phone use allowed) - would be really glad to know your experience /views if any.
We're not considering Churston as, like you, we feel it is too far.
Thank you so much!

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Gladrag2 · 24/10/2018 21:28

I have children in TGGS and TBGS and have been very impressed with both. If you look at the data there is very little between Colyton and TGGS. TGGS has higher pp kids( double Colyton) but both are sadly obviously well below the national average. The pastoral care in both TGGS and TBGS is excellent. My dd has SEN and the provision for that had been on the whole very good too. She is very happy and there doesn’t seem to be any bullying . Respect seems to be pushed quite vigorously.The girls are very supportive of each other which has been a contrast to the experience of her friends in co-ed schools. TGGS is very good at giving the girls confidence and pushing them to strive to reach their max potential in all areas, aim high in the workplace etc.There are loads of extra curricular activities. The girls come from all over. Some come from Exeter, the gorgeous South Hams, Teign Valley, Dartmoor..... all far nicer areas imvho than that surrounding Colyton. There is a very good private bus service to these areas. They only go out in Torquay if they live there. My dd doesn’t as like many of her friends she doesn’t live there and is too busy. She has made friends all over and meeting up is easy thanks to phones. Did you visit Churston? We were impressed with that too but it was too far for us.

dazedandconfused18 · 24/10/2018 20:45

I went to TGGS and have DC at Colyton, obviously my experience of TTGS is a long time ago but in my opinion Colyton is a better choice in terms of pastoral care, being co-ed and definitely results-wise. Having grown up in Torquay, I would also opt for East Devon generally (all the places mentioned as well as Woodbury, West Hill, Whimple, Feniton if you're looking for a village) as opposed to South Devon, although there are some stunning parts of South Devon too. I don't think you can go too far wrong either way, but I'd go Colyton/East Devon, good luck!

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