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Controversial Behaviour Policy changes

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Chattonnoire · 16/09/2018 15:05

I am looking to get some insight into the changes taking places at a number of Free Schools, especially London, that have been making dramatic changes to Behaviour Policy since Michaela Community School made headlines as being the strictest school in Britain:

time.com/5232857/michaela-britains-strictest-school/

metro.co.uk/2017/09/11/britains-strictest-school-bans-pupils-from-looking-out-the-window-and-smirking-6917747/

www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/13422769.The_secrets_of_Magna_Academy_s_transformation__Students_who_walk_silently_between_lessons/

I noticed, that the comments at the end of these articles were mostly negative from parents and students in these schools, and don't appear to be in line with the "hard sell" the schools are making it out to be.

The impression is that teachers are asserting control over the difficult and disruptive students at the expense of the rest; the average student is muted in these "silent transitions" to and from classes and expressed feeling unhappy and the environment oppressive and weird.

None of the students have the authority to question the new policy, too afraid of being given 90 minutes detentions on the same day regardless of any commitments they may have (Medical or Sporting...at the expense of either their health missing long awaited NHS appointments or financial loss for missed activities to lower income families, as many students on free school meals) for often arbitrary and minor and low level disruptions such as is listed on many of these schools behaviour policies.

So they are being taught not to learn any assertiveness, question authority at any point, to conform, never to speak out, contest or oppose injustice, and may in fact have long lasting emotional and psychological negative impact on these teen developing minds in the real world, where they may not be able to defend themselves from unfair treatment from employers, or even personal relationships.

I am concerned about how fitting and convenient it is for the staff of schools in managing the delinquents, but how damaging this can potential be for bright and able children to be treated with less freedom than correctional facilities. Mental health and self harm and teen suicides statistics are already depressingly high, and with high pressured expectations and penalised for low level infractions can sabotage a once engaged teen's self esteem. A friend's 14 year old son recently committed suicide. So this really touches a raw nerve.

I've seen how a hostile school environment can crush a student with so much potential too many times.

I can't help but thinK of Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall" with faceless children put through the grinder...sorry for the grim comparison....but I can't shake it.

Is this radical new Behaviour Control in developing adolescent minds a good thing, or setting them up to fail in the real world in order that the schools get "Outstanding" Ofsted reports as inspectors come and see automatons walking silently through schools for fear of punishment and exclusion?

Are any of you in these super strict schools and finding it great or awful?

*If you are a teacher or part of school staff, please indicate in your response, so an understanding of your perspective is made clear.

Thank you

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SnuggyBuggy · 17/09/2018 21:22

To be fair I think that sort of regime is all well and good for a private school and parents who have chosen it but it's pretty unreasonable for a state school where you might unwillingly find yourself.

LuluJakey1 · 17/09/2018 21:22

This whole thing is a ploy by these schools to get rid of children who will not cope with these strict behaviour policies. Parents will move them because of the conflict it will cause and they will end up in ordinary schools and overwhelm those schools whilst the 'super strict' schools have the children who can cope- ie those who are resilient, hvae self-control, don't have SEN and, in all likelihood are not from dosadvantaged backgrounds and have high levels of parental support. It's all to do with Gove's curriculum and exam outcomes. Free schools and academies don't want disadvantaged children or those with SEN- they can't manage them or get them good results.

PleaseTryAnotherUsername · 17/09/2018 21:19

The tiger parent here must be trolling and laughing to death behind our back, no other explanations.

Chattonnoire · 17/09/2018 21:16

Discussion turning quite hilarious. I needed a chuckle with all the seriousness.

Milkytea20 is quite the Tiger parent

My DS’s friends all oddly very political and may very well organise a protest, demonstration, revolution, sit-in (although they do a lot of that already) or walk out or whatever!

When I was in year 6, our year did a school walk-out in protest to changes in curriculum that would affect us the following year. We all got 3 days suspension!Grin

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SnuggyBuggy · 17/09/2018 21:01

Maybe a salute for the headteacher too

EarlyModernParent · 17/09/2018 20:56

I hope that schools choosing this route have strong SMTs who support but also audit teachers. Because the scope for weirdo teachers using this stuff to indulge their inner Stalin is massive.

MilkyTea20 · 17/09/2018 20:56

Compulsory marching every morning is a great idea and I'd be delighted if DS's school introduced it. Great for pride and discipline.

SnuggyBuggy · 17/09/2018 20:55

I'd be careful complaining about the lack of exercise in case they introduced North Korea style goose stepping sessions.

But seriously I would consider seeing if he can sit his GCSEs as an independent candidate.

MilkyTea20 · 17/09/2018 20:53

The head at DS's school has a clear policy for parents who choose not to support school policies and rules- get in line or ship out. All parents sign an agreement when they apply, which states that then and their DC can be immediately removed from the school if they refuse to support the school.

You have to have everyone- pupils, parents and staff, pushing in the same direction in a school, or it just won't work(which is why we have so many terrible schools in this country). People who don't buy in have to be taken out.

DumbledoresApprentice · 17/09/2018 20:52

Unless the OP moves or homeschools him he will count in the school’s results regardless of where he sits them. Any child who is on the school’s roll in January of year 11 has their results counted even if they move schools, sit there exams at another centre or are excluded before the exams. If a parent wants to pay for their child to sit their exam somewhere else it will save the school some money but won’t affect their statistics.

Chattonnoire · 17/09/2018 20:45

IreneWinters I’ve been thinking along those lines tbh. I wasn’t sure I could cope with homeschooling. I don’t have resources for tutors

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PickAChew · 17/09/2018 20:40

You don't see adults in offices running around during lunch breaks

Many adults who work in offices are free to get up and go for a walk and some fresh air in their lunch break, if that's what they want. If they have a work canteen, they are no expected to sit in one place in that canteen for the entire break.

IreneWinters · 17/09/2018 20:29

I was one of the well behaved, quiet kids that did the work, usually got good grades and flew completely under the radar, even when I was struggling. Rules like these would have given me something to righteously rebel against. Either I’d have been organising a sit in protest in the playground, or my anxiety and depression would have got so bad I would have refused to go, and quite possibly done something really stupid.

If you’re not able to move him to a different school, can you see if you can find a different venue for him to sit his GCSE exams? In the same way that homeschooled kids do, I mean. I’m not sure how that would work in terms of lining up with coursework, but if it’s possible, it might remove some of the anxiety for him. And then you’d get the pleasure of sending the school a snotty email telling them exactly why they will lose out on your son’s expected high grades for their statistics.

Chattonnoire · 17/09/2018 20:16

GrimSqueaker I’m Really sad to hear it’s started at that age...i can see why your DD wasn’t coping.

The behaviour modification does impact behaviour outside of school, and my DS was struggling with self initiative and assertiveness during summer break as he’d been conditioned by the behaviour policy in such a way that had a negative impact in the real world.

Glad you had DD moved.

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Chattonnoire · 17/09/2018 20:12

MilkyTea20 Adult go to spin class or even for a run at lunch breaks, I know plenty who do who work desk jobs. Most adult walk down to the shops to buy lunch and chill out in local green spaces with collegues on nice days. I have no idea what you’re on aboutConfused

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GrimSqueaker · 17/09/2018 20:05

This shit is starting to seep down into bloody primary schools. DD1 started at our local primary and the only bloody thing she learnt in her first half term of reception were numerous sessions where they were taken out into the corridors and taught how to basically march up and down the corridors with their hands clasped behind their backs in the "school style". Rule after rule like this - piled on 4 year olds!

She's an anxious type to start with - but by the end of the year there she was absolutely a wreck being terrified of breaking one of the endless endless lists of rules or walking down the fucking corridor "wrong" - we moved her and it took her a good half term or so for the anxiety to drop down to a tolerable level. At one point she had a screaming fit of terror after a parents evening at school that she might not be walking down the corridor properly at 6pm at night - it was ridiculous the effect it all had on her.

Neither of mine would cope in a Michaela hell hole... DD2 has SEN - so isn't wanted, and while academically she's actually very bright - doesn't ever appear to be paying attention in lessons - you can either have her sat beautifully still with eye contact, or you can have her actually taking in the content of the lesson. She'll recall it all, even if she's apparently been gazing at the light fitting all input time. DD1... it would send her anxiety levels through the stratosphere.

There's being strict and hot on behaviour (and I can fully understand the "no excuses" rule having been on the receiving end of a few Vicky Pollards in my time) and then there's idiotic heads on a power trip trying to big themselves up on Twitter about how amazing they are getting off on making kids' lives a living hell.

Still I suppose it sets them up for a career in a call centre where they're not allowed to pee unless given permission - which I suspect is the aim for many.

What we are doing to this generation of kids is fucking barbaric with these "take no shit" prison camps, signing over all our schools to massive multi-academy trusts to asset strip and run on nothing and allow to fall apart, decimating the teaching profession to the point it's something you do for a couple of years after qualifying before you have your nervous breakdown and are capabilitied out. We have forgotten CHILDREN completely and are just educating spreadsheets of data.

Chattonnoire · 17/09/2018 20:04

Correction: That’s 2 hours of PE

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MaisyPops · 17/09/2018 20:02

The focus on silence in the corridors isn’t something I’d personally bother about if I ran a school but the rest of their behaviour policy is not especially draconian in my opinion, especially for in-class behaviour. They do expect students to SLANT etc, but students aren’t just given detention for glancing out of a window. Before they are given a “demerit” they are first given a non-verbal reminder, a verbal but unnamed reminder and then a named reminder. Students have a number of chances to stop slouching/chatting/fiddling/staring out of the window. It sounds very similar to the way we do things in my pretty relaxed school.
Agree.
I expect students to demonstrate active listening, to have manners, to work hard, to line up sensibly, to follow entry/exit routines, to ask good questions etc.
If a child spent my lesson gazing out the window instead of working then they'd lose some of their break/lunch because they've not produced work to the required standard.

I'd probably never work in a super strict school like the ones mentioned above, but I have some sympathy for what they are trying to achieve (and i'd rather work in one of those schools than a place with appalling behaviour where staff are verbally abused, physically assaulted and told that if only they hadn't expected Timmy to take his coat off then none of the disruption would have happened... well thing is thst with 10 set 6 they don't work unless you find a hook and make it fun for them. Instead do teaching the GCSE course, you could watch the film of Romeo and Juliet, then make a collage and get them engaged doing some discovery learning where students witj a reading age of 8 work out what was going on in the balcony scene. After all poor behaviour is a sign of a teacher who hasn't planned engaging lessons).

MilkyTea20 · 17/09/2018 20:02

There's absolutely no need for children to leave their seats at break or lunch. You don't see adults in offices running around during lunch breaks! DS's school makes them ask permission to leave their table at break or lunch for any reason.

Chattonnoire · 17/09/2018 20:02

*noblegiraffe

Doesn’t your DS have some sort of movement break card where he can get up and walk around or stretch? That would seem like a reasonable adjustment for SEND students that even a strict school should accept?*

No! I should go in tomorrow and ask for one. They know his medical history and it might not resolve the incomprehensible seated lunch rule, he could at least get up and shake it out.

Although DesertCactus raises a valid point, I think there is a breach of their rights to be free to move on their lunch break.

The school responded that my DS did not select PE GCSE, so was only entitled to the Dept of Edu guideline of 2 hours of OE a week (all on one afternoon).

So they interpret that as they have no need to provide time to move the rest of the week, including their breaks?

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DumbledoresApprentice · 17/09/2018 19:59

Can he not have some sort of card or exemption? I have students who have permission to sit in a different position or who have permission to get up and walk about every 20 mins or so. I think students should have more freedom to move around at break and lunch but having a general rule for those without medical issues they sit up, face forward and don’t fidget during teaching doesn’t seem extreme to me.

noblegiraffe · 17/09/2018 19:48

Doesn’t your DS have some sort of movement break card where he can get up and walk around or stretch? That would seem like a reasonable adjustment for SEND students that even a strict school should accept?

DesertCactus · 17/09/2018 19:47

All sounds very draconian to me.
UK Chief Medical Officer states that children should be getting at least 30 minutes of physical activity at school daily, so these policies contravene Government guidelines Confused

Chattonnoire · 17/09/2018 19:44

DumbledoresApprentice my teen has a rare hereditary genetic disease and sees specialists at GOSH. Static seating for long periods is physically painful. It manifests in an inability to sit still for too long before muscles seize and movement is the only relief. He’ll even tap on his legs to provide some relief. The school knows, but the anxiety of being told off just makes it worse. Stress exacerbated the symptoms.

Regardless, many students would find long periods of seated lessons difficult and you see it with their inability to sit still after awhile. Shifting in their seats, knee bouncing, etc... this isn’t rudeness, it’s often unconscious and a result of stress.

This would be ideal time to get the students up to stretch out their growing legs and aching backs from constrictive desks, rather than being told off and punished.

I don’t know, maybe most students are manipulative and just mess around to the point that students with actual needs get dismissed entirely

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noblegiraffe · 17/09/2018 19:43

They can pay staff to supervise lunch, generally called midday supervisors. Or they can pay staff to do a lunch duty, but they can’t require staff to do a lunch duty.

Never heard of a school requiring its kids to remain seated all lunch, it sounds so bonkers there shouldn’t need to be a law against it.

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