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Controversial Behaviour Policy changes

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Chattonnoire · 16/09/2018 15:05

I am looking to get some insight into the changes taking places at a number of Free Schools, especially London, that have been making dramatic changes to Behaviour Policy since Michaela Community School made headlines as being the strictest school in Britain:

time.com/5232857/michaela-britains-strictest-school/

metro.co.uk/2017/09/11/britains-strictest-school-bans-pupils-from-looking-out-the-window-and-smirking-6917747/

www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/13422769.The_secrets_of_Magna_Academy_s_transformation__Students_who_walk_silently_between_lessons/

I noticed, that the comments at the end of these articles were mostly negative from parents and students in these schools, and don't appear to be in line with the "hard sell" the schools are making it out to be.

The impression is that teachers are asserting control over the difficult and disruptive students at the expense of the rest; the average student is muted in these "silent transitions" to and from classes and expressed feeling unhappy and the environment oppressive and weird.

None of the students have the authority to question the new policy, too afraid of being given 90 minutes detentions on the same day regardless of any commitments they may have (Medical or Sporting...at the expense of either their health missing long awaited NHS appointments or financial loss for missed activities to lower income families, as many students on free school meals) for often arbitrary and minor and low level disruptions such as is listed on many of these schools behaviour policies.

So they are being taught not to learn any assertiveness, question authority at any point, to conform, never to speak out, contest or oppose injustice, and may in fact have long lasting emotional and psychological negative impact on these teen developing minds in the real world, where they may not be able to defend themselves from unfair treatment from employers, or even personal relationships.

I am concerned about how fitting and convenient it is for the staff of schools in managing the delinquents, but how damaging this can potential be for bright and able children to be treated with less freedom than correctional facilities. Mental health and self harm and teen suicides statistics are already depressingly high, and with high pressured expectations and penalised for low level infractions can sabotage a once engaged teen's self esteem. A friend's 14 year old son recently committed suicide. So this really touches a raw nerve.

I've seen how a hostile school environment can crush a student with so much potential too many times.

I can't help but thinK of Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the Wall" with faceless children put through the grinder...sorry for the grim comparison....but I can't shake it.

Is this radical new Behaviour Control in developing adolescent minds a good thing, or setting them up to fail in the real world in order that the schools get "Outstanding" Ofsted reports as inspectors come and see automatons walking silently through schools for fear of punishment and exclusion?

Are any of you in these super strict schools and finding it great or awful?

*If you are a teacher or part of school staff, please indicate in your response, so an understanding of your perspective is made clear.

Thank you

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woman11017 · 22/09/2018 13:08

Thanks Tiger
ECHR is separate from Brexit, it's not the EU court.

It's the convention on human rights in Strasbourg.

In theory it still applies, despite the 'brexit'.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-brexit-white-paper-eu-european-convention-on-human-rights-tory-mps-a8444386.html

It was an ECHR case which after all got rid of corporal punishment in schools. Smile

www.coe.int/en/web/human-rights-channel/-/how-two-parents-stopped-corporal-punishment-in-uk-schools

Chattonnoire · 22/09/2018 13:04

Is there an equivalent in UK to go to if needed?

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Chattonnoire · 22/09/2018 13:03

Will ECHR matter after Brexit?

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Chattonnoire · 22/09/2018 13:02

Thanks!

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Orchiddingme · 22/09/2018 13:01

European Court of Human Rights

TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap · 22/09/2018 13:01

European Court of Human Rights

Chattonnoire · 22/09/2018 12:58

Woman110178

Several of those strategies used by these schools would be seen as Child Protection issues if used by parents.

This is what I was thinking, wondering why a school is allowed to havevpolicies tgat would invite Social Services to investigate families reported as implementing these measure at home on their children?

Also in breach of the ECHR.

ECHR? Not familiar with acronym

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woman11017 · 22/09/2018 12:53

Could be a really interesting case testing whether schools are no longer 'in loco parentis'. If they're not, what are their liabilities now. Wink

woman11017 · 22/09/2018 12:51

wonders how certain posters think children should be treated and whether this extends to how things are at home

Several of those strategies used by these schools would be seen as Child Protection issues if used by parents.

Aso in breach of the ECHR.

Chattonnoire · 22/09/2018 12:50

NobleGiraffe

Doesn’t your DS have some sort of movement break card where he can get up and walk around or stretch? That would seem like a reasonable adjustment for SEND students that even a strict school should accept?

Thanks to your earlier post, I did for ahead and make a request for the school to possibly provide him with a movement card to use during lessons to stretch out without fear of punishment leading to detention, as well as during lunch break to get out of canteen seat once finished eating.

The request was granted!

I don’t feel the policy is right for the body of students, but at the moment my DS has the ability to use this card to reduce the stress and anxiety that might be caused by the long intervals of static seating with low level disruption he might unintentionally cause as he shifts and taps in discomfort.

I think as far as my DS goes, it’ll be a great improvement. He’ll also be able to use the card as a signal if he can’t “raise his hand” in class, if migraine setting in.

So I’m not changing policy, but slowly inch by inch getting concessions to improve the environment for my DS...for now

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frogsoup · 22/09/2018 12:16

To me their posts read like some deeply dodgy disciplinarian fantasy. I think not engaging is the best strategy.

EarlyModernParent · 22/09/2018 10:40

In shackles, I expect!

CecilyP · 22/09/2018 09:38

I’m wondering where milkytea thinks pupil’s arms should be if not on desks. Perhaps she thinks there hands should be in there laps as they as they stare and nod at the teacher (or whatever slant stands for). Or perhaps she thinks they should hover a couple of inches above the desk!

MaisyPops · 21/09/2018 19:51

I remember those threads tiger.

TigerDrankAllTheWaterInTheTap · 21/09/2018 19:49

MilkyTea20 seems to have very similar views to SunnyShades and SunShades who were both posting this kind of thing back in July.

pointythings · 21/09/2018 16:35

School pupils are children and need to be treated as such.

SenecaFalls · 21/09/2018 16:16

It's all very 'the beatings will continue until morale improves', isn't it?

Indeed. It does make me wonder also how many adherents of these draconium approaches would like to bring back corporal punishment in the UK. Sadly there are more than a few of those in the US who I think it should be part of the "disciplinary toolbox."

SenecaFalls · 21/09/2018 16:10

School pupils are children and need to be treated as such.

Aren't we talking about secondary school here? In some parts of the UK 16 year olds can vote.

Chattonnoire · 21/09/2018 16:04

Well put pointythings

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Chattonnoire · 21/09/2018 16:02

I disagree, I think kids need more supervision than adults but ultimately they should be being prepared to enter the adult world. All these rules teach them is that some adults are twats.

SnuggyBuggy your posts always put a smile on my face. I just don’t fall in with some of the hardcore Strict Policies advocates on the thread.

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pointythings · 21/09/2018 16:01

It's all very 'the beatings will continue until morale improves', isn't it?

SnuggyBuggy · 21/09/2018 15:54

It's kind of like a school wide equivalent of putting the class in detention because one person misbehaved.

pointythings · 21/09/2018 15:43

Milky so all children should be treated as if they are misbehaving in order to prevent misbehaviour? Did you ever see a film called Minority Report?

Schools need an appropriate regime of sanctions for students who misbehave. Not a regime that is punitive from the off because 1) it will not equip them for adulthood in any way and 2) if you are punitive with the good kids, they have no incentive to continue behaving well and working hard.

SnuggyBuggy · 21/09/2018 15:38

I disagree, I think kids need more supervision than adults but ultimately they should be being prepared to enter the adult world. All these rules teach them is that some adults are twats.

MilkyTea20 · 21/09/2018 15:35

The policies workplaces have are irrelevant. The people in those environments are adults. School pupils are children and need to be treated as such. They lack the maturity to be treated like adults, which is why schools need to have to have strict rules and policies.