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Results from GCSE remarks?

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3076Worb · 06/09/2018 13:09

Just making final decisions about which to get remarked and heard some shocking info I wanted to share. (I realise marks can go up and down.)

A student who was 1 mark off a higher grade in English GSCE (AQA) has just got the results of the remark of paper 1 and has gone down 10 MARKS! She has now dropped a grade and has a tough decision about whether to get paper 2 remarked or not.

I was advised with being only 1 mark off a higher grade (around 10-11 marks between each grade) a remark was 'a no brainer'. School have now said, with this shock of 10 marks down, they have suggested no remark. There are saying it seems the boards are being a LOT tougher this year (esp. after getting so many marks wrong last year, with the new system, they want to show they have now got things sorted).

Has anyone got results from THIS year's GCSEs remarks yet?

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ChocolateWombat · 28/09/2018 19:18

I think there are fewer upgrades now because the Boards are keen to resist as they have to declare how many adjustments were made and that doesn't reflect well on the original marking. Unless marks are judged outside of the correct band, even if considered rather generous or mean they won't be adjusted, as seen within tolerance.....and in some subjects, a level of limited tolerance in marking is necessary. Fewer changes to marks this year isn't an indication that original marking is more accurate....just tighter controls on what warrants a change to mark. I think marking is often very unreliable, and that's pretty scary, especially when you know that they hope to not adjust marks if a remark is requested. And if you don't get a change based on a re-mark there really is. I where to go with it, unless you can show maladministarion. I have known students given grades 2 below what their script was judged to be, when their experienced teacher who was also an examiner, judged it to be, when looking at a photocopy of their script, as a way to decide if to go for a re-Mark. So a remark was requested very confidently...but no change, and nowhere for the student or school to go with challenging it. Not a fair or reliable system unfortunately.

And yes it absolutely works better for those with the knowledge and funds to use the system. Some independent schools will ask anyone with a slightly disappointing grade or close to the boundaries to pay and request a copy of their script. Some will be getting 5 or more. Teachers then look carefully at the marking to see if it looks mean and if it does and they don't seem close to a lower boundary they advise a remark (pointing out the risk of a down grade too,mor course)...so then some parents are paying for 5 or more remarks. Of course you are more likely to get upgraded if you actually put in for it, than if you don't and lots of people don't, because they don't understand the options available or the timescales, or because there is no encouragement to do it by schools even when the mark seems highly surprising, or people simply don't want to pay or can't pay. In lots of Independnet schools, with staff and parents in the know, most parents will expect to be putting for at least 1 script back and remark.....there's no real serious consideration of if the higher grade feels deserved, simply a sense of you might as well try, and go for priority remarks which are more expensive as there's often a sense that earlier remarks are more likely to see upgrades than later ones, as examiners looking them over perhaps come under more pressure to hold the line.

And if you've paid £20k per year in school fees for many years, a couple of extra hundred is a drop in the ocean if there's a chance of an extra grade or two, and you're far from the lower boundary, so the risk is low.

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 28/09/2018 15:54

Agreed. It's an unfair system. Some students will miss out if their teachers or parents are not proactive or if there aren't funds available to pay for a marking review.

hertsandessex · 28/09/2018 15:49

Yes you do wonder about things like that. My wife actually teaches the subject so when we saw the exam script she was shocked that it had been marked C as was clearly an A. There must be so many wrong grades because people don't get remarked as advised not to or can't afford to.

OutwiththeOutCrowd · 28/09/2018 15:38

Herts, that is a big change! My DS had a successful review of marking - also Edexcel. Was one mark below a grade boundary and gained three marks over the two papers reviewed. He's got terrible handwriting and I did have a suspicion that the original marker, sitting there with a big pile of scripts still to mark, could have given up on trying to decipher his answers for a couple of the questions.

hertsandessex · 28/09/2018 11:49

FWIW we had one paper remarked and went from A to A* - I think on the individual paper in question went from middle C to A so big jump. We got the actual exam script from Edexcel before requesting the remark and knew there was no way it would go lower than C.

Bouledeneige · 28/09/2018 00:57

DS's English lang stayed the same but DD's A level Sociology went up from a B to an A. Hurrah!

choirmumoftwo · 27/09/2018 18:53

Physics has gone up from a 7 to an 8, all on the first paper we submitted. So of the 3 reviews we requested, 2 subjects went up and 1 stayed the same. Happy days.

Khara · 24/09/2018 16:37

Ds had one of his English literature (Eduqas) remarked. He was two marks off a 9 and gained 4 marks. It's his only 9 so he was really pleased even though he's not doing English A level.

Devilishpyjamas · 24/09/2018 16:36

Oh and he was 4 marks away from a 7 in RE & maths, but didn’t bother doing those (& couldn’t afford it anyway). It strikes me as quite unfair - Ds2 has an extra two 7’s that he wouldn’t have had if we couldn’t have afforded a remark.

Devilishpyjamas · 24/09/2018 16:34

We just did both papers for each.

Devilishpyjamas · 24/09/2018 16:33

We had three remarked. All AQA - all one mark away from a 7. English language - no change - came back within 4 days; it entirely sure they did anything other than ensure they had counted correctly. Physics increased by 3 marks (1 paper went down one mark, the other went up 4), chemistry went up one.

Nettleskeins · 24/09/2018 16:26

so we only marked the very lowest paper, and that didn't change.

Nettleskeins · 24/09/2018 16:25

Dd's Edexcel Maths has gone up 3 marks from a 6 to a 7. She needed 1 mark, but we had marked all three papers. The 3 marks all came off one paper surprisingly and it wasn't the lowest one. The second half of the Double Science didn't change from 7/6 to 7/7 sadly. Again Edexcel, but there we had the problem of there being 6 papers that needed to be remarked; there was no guidance as to which paper was relevant to the mark changing, and 6 papers seemed very pricey.

choirmumoftwo · 23/09/2018 17:19

3076 We were in exactly the same position with a physics paper. DD 2 marks off the next grade up but result of review of marking not back by the deadline so we had to decide whether to submit the second paper or not. It's a risk - I'm now terrified that she'll get the 2 marks she needs then lose them again on the other paper!
She decided to go ahead on the grounds that whatever happens, she'll have the mark she should have had to start with so it will be fair, even if the grade doesn't go up. I just wish AQA didn't take so blooming long!

Alwa · 20/09/2018 19:02

It's hard with two paper but we are always told to send them one at a time. I hope you had good news.

Cherryburn · 20/09/2018 16:26

Any news Worb? Fingers crossed the review of the second paper won’t be needed.

3076Worb · 20/09/2018 14:49

Our exams officer finishes at 5, so this is the latest we can find out the results of the remark of English Lang (AQA) Paper one remark. Finger biting time, because if we don't find out before 5pm, we have missed the opportunity to get paper 2 remarked if needed. I don't want to just go for a remark of paper 2 (and the risks that come with that), without seeing if paper one has given him the 1 mark he needs! I'm thinking we will not take the risk if the remark doesn't come back in time and just except knowing that he nearly got the grade above. My mantra now is "what will be will be" (or that's what I'm trying to think!)

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KittiesInsane · 20/09/2018 13:53

I may possibly be deflecting some other worries onto this!

Cherryburn · 20/09/2018 13:47

Highly unlikely Kitties, especially as she was under her predicted grade anyway. Try not to worry!

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 20/09/2018 13:18

KittiesInsane no that's not likely but nor is it a given that she'll go up a grade (even being only one point off it currently).

CobwebKate · 20/09/2018 13:09

I have been lurking on this thread, but thought I would share DDs remark with you. She was 3 marks off a 9 in English Lit (Edexcel), school rang me 2 weeks ago to say that they had reviewed her script and would like to send it for a remark. She agreed although has spent the last week panicking that she did the wrong thing in case she went down to a 7 (which would have been a 7 mark drop). Her remark came back today, she is still an 8 but has gone up 2 marks to be 1 off a 9! She says she wishes she hadn’t agreed to it because she feels worse about it now.

She was predicted a 9 although the English results as a whole have been much lower than school expected, one class teacher had both papers for their entire class remarked which I think is ridiculous. Did only knows of one person from that class who has had a grade increase but she hasn’t heard of anyone drop down a grade either. She also says they were misled by staff that if the grade went down they could keep their original grade, which she knows to be untrue but a lot didn’t.

She got 74/80 in paper 1 which remained the same paper 2 went from 56/80 to 58/80. She went really left field with her choice of poem to compare for the English anthology and I think this cost her. She was happy with an 8, I think she has just found the remark an extra stress and ultimately she had hoped she might get the 9, so feels disappointed today.

KittiesInsane · 20/09/2018 12:06

Or in other words, how likely it is that she could lose 9 marks and drop a grade further (which would be 3 grades away from prediction)?

KittiesInsane · 20/09/2018 12:05

Apparently DD had 68/80 in paper 1 and 49/80 in paper 2. Anyone know how the 'banding per question' works??

KittiesInsane · 20/09/2018 10:57

Argh. She agreed to having it sent off, but now I'm having horrible second thoughts!

3076Worb · 20/09/2018 09:40

Kittes, I'd agree with Oldowl. If the grade goes up, you get a refund, so if this is the case, you could pass that onto her. The deadline is TODAY (end of). One mark off a higher grade is close, but the grade boundary for English is only 10 marks between in each grade (other subject have anything up to 25), so it's still 10% off. Bear in mind, this discussion was started because of a remark of just one English paper that came back as 10 marks lower and the poor student (who was one mark off a higher grade) went down a grade! There have since been a few reports of marks coming back 9-10 marks up or down in English. It's sad that when a student is so near the next grade, that there is still a strong possibilty they could drop a grade; reflects very poorly on the marking!!

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