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Any tips from those who’s kids got great GCSE grades?

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ILiveInSalemsLot · 26/08/2018 16:05

What do you think helped your kids achieve good results?
My ds will be doing his in a couple of years. He’s doing ok but definitely needs to put more effort in. I’d be really grateful for any tips. Smile
TIA

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MinaPaws · 30/08/2018 07:34

DS has processing difficulties and HFA. He got Bs in all the subjects he struggled with (sciences) which he was really pleased with and so was I (predicted Cs.)

What helped was:

Finding out how he learns. He tracked down a lot of science You Tube videos and stuck with the ones that actually helped explain stuff.

He did a lot of practise papers with the answers at his side. Almost reverse practise. See what the mark scheme is and then look at the question, so you see what sort of answers they are looking for.

A LOT of what helped him was exam technique.

Another thing that helped was making him explain stuff - as though he was the one teaching it. That was really difficult as I have zero knowledge of science - only took one and didn't do well at it, thirty years ago. So he had to explain to DS1 who is a science geek and very confident and quick to jump in to explain what DS2 was doing wrong. But it did help.

Bitesize and GCSE pass notes help a bit but they seem aimed at C grade passes, not A stars.

For English Language, nothing beats reading. Reading anything - a non-fiction book or a newspaper, so long as its well written. If they do that regularly, they find it easier to write fluent sentences and paragraphs and have the vocabulary to do so.

Isentthesignal · 30/08/2018 00:21

Interesting the number of unconditional offers so popular now, dh got one from Cambridge in the 80s to read Physics - well he needed EE to get his grant and fees paid but apart from that A levels were pretty irrelevant.

RomanyRoots · 29/08/2018 23:06

I remember advising all these tips to my A level students, years ago.
The ones that took note did really well, the ones that didn't/couldn't didn't do as well.

My challenge now is to get my own dd to take note, I thought something clicked tonight when I cross referenced the spec with a couple of questions on a past paper, in Science.
I explained how just being on top of things/taking responsibility for her own learning would really help.

So I would add, "You can lead a horse to water...."
Lots of encouragement, help and support. and praise for those who lack confidence.

HailSatan · 29/08/2018 22:40

@Finnifinola glad someone appreciates my methods 😂 I'm sure there a lot on here who wouldn't approve of my literature approach in college either. Everyone else chose heavy books while I did my paper on a video game. Got the best mark in my class because of my "innovative thinking"

tryingtobegood · 29/08/2018 22:35

DD printed off the exam board's course specifications - that really helped her organise her revision and keep in mind the level of answer required.

The other tip which helped her was to do some past papers but not time them. When she got stuck on a question (particularly sciences/maths) she stopped and sought how to do it. She then carried on.

shortsaint · 29/08/2018 22:14

My DS got 6 at 4 or 5 and 4 fails.

I salute you for doing all this because my DS1 is 1)not stupid 2) but he is bone idle 3)his teachers over-predicted so he was complacent.

Oh and me and DH work F/T long hours so never supervised homework or revision.

Bitter moi?

My advice - helicopter parenting, SAHMs supervising homework and being on top of their coursework, discipline, academic schools... and .. don't let them go through puberty in year 11. Oh, and remove all x boxes and phones.

Halo
MaisyPops · 29/08/2018 21:56

bloody candy finger bums on seats.
BlushGrin
Bloody candy FILLING bums on seats

MaisyPops · 29/08/2018 21:55

To be honest now there is no cap on undergraduate numbers, the requirements have plummeted in some places.
Courses that only need 180/200 UCAS points as handing out unconditional.offers like bloody candy finger bums on seats.

Top courses are still tough to get onto but the rise of unconditional offer is getting worse and worse (with implications for teachong 6th form). It used to only be universities tjay struggled to recruit who'd do them, but seeing as lazy CCC candidates who could have worked to get BBB for a better course started being lured in by freebies and unconditional, now even some.higher ranking universities are offering them (because they were losing students to places offering unconditional).

I've even had studnets talk about going to a lower ranked course on the grounds that the uni has essentially told tjem theu can have 1-1 intervention before assignments are due in! That seems better than a better coirse where you actually have to think for yourself.

There's a certain cohort within the average middle ability band of students who've had intervention on a plate through GCSE and been spoon fed, then expect the same at a level, then think they are going yo university to get a degree rather than having the opportunity to get a degree and It's all about what pathway makes their life the easiest because the role of teachers and tutors and lecturers is to make it easy for them.

user1461609321 · 29/08/2018 21:42

Very interesting reading

Isentthesignal · 29/08/2018 21:32

Degree reqs have "upped" because more kids are applying to Uni, than they did in the 80s. Teachers have got better at teaching to test and students have likewise. I went to a Grammar school in the 80s there weren’t many kids getting AAB!

MaisyPops · 29/08/2018 20:53

AChickenCalledKorma
Same. 'Jobs that haven't been invented yet' is up there with '21st century skills' and other babblycrap that people come out with to sound cool and forward thinking (especially when said out the mouths of edtech advisors or education consultants who want to convince you that teaching the course to the students isn't what matters, what matters is hiring a load of tech for the day, collapsing the timetable so thry can learn 21sr century skills. After all #makingmemories is what matters.)

Call me cynical.

My advice is always - yes you could do really well without your exams, no they are not the be all and end all, but your results sure are a strong foundation to build your future. They are GENERAL certificates of secondary education and in time you will specialise, but it's good to have a stack of them in your file and your wider extracurricular interests as you move into the world.

Sadik · 29/08/2018 20:30

Exactly Portico - it's generally a distraction from doing any real work!

portico · 29/08/2018 20:29

Sadik, not sure I believe all the malarkey about revision notes, flashcards et al works. For me, it is a case of learn the questions, practice as many exam qns as possible. And then refer to the mark schemes for lessons learned.

portico · 29/08/2018 20:25

Isentthesignal said

When I say I envy kids nowadays, I mean I envy the mark schemes they have access to. We did not with O and Levels in the early 80s. Yep and if we did the ante would have been upped sooner. My degree requirements were CC, they are now AAB!

Degree reqs have "upped" because more kids are applying to Uni, than they did in the 80s.

Sadik · 29/08/2018 20:16

OT, but the funny thing is I had a friend at uni who did the whole thing with fabulous revision notes & timetable = zero actual work (especially since every time he got behind he had to re-work his timetable).

He got a third - but then went on to a successful career writing (primary level) textbooks Grin I guess his skill at mind maps / laying things out neatly / making it all look orderly & pleasing was exactly what was needed...

Isentthesignal · 29/08/2018 19:51

When I say I envy kids nowadays, I mean I envy the mark schemes they have access to. We did not with O and Levels in the early 80s. Yep and if we did the ante would have been upped sooner. My degree requirements were CC, they are now AAB!

Finnifinola · 29/08/2018 19:33

You need an A in biology A level to study nutrition at uni, it's hardly a made up thing!

portico · 29/08/2018 18:50

When I say I envy kids nowadays, I mean I envy the mark schemes they have access to. We did not with O and Levels in the early 80s.

portico · 29/08/2018 18:47

Practise past qns, as many as you can. Think about what the examiners wants. FFS, I envy kids now - we never had this when I did O Levels.

Satsumaeater · 29/08/2018 18:41

I didn't even read the books for English, I just watched the films, on 2x speed

I did something similar when I was at uni. I read the English version of a German text in one sitting. When I got into the exam I looked at it in horror, I could only do 2 questions and needed to do four. I did the two questions I could do, taking an hour over each of them rather than 45 minutes and then tried damage limitation. I can't remember what the 4th question was, but i cobbled something together on this other text. I got a first. Exam technique and not panicking gets you a long way.

Remember the first 50% of the marks are the easiest to get so don't waste time if you are running behind, get on and finish the paper and then go back to the questions you know you can improve on. It's better to finish the paper and get 55% than only do 60% of the paper and get 80% on that part.

maZebraltov · 29/08/2018 18:08

My brother got a degree in nutrition in about 1982. It seemed pretty established discipline then.

AChickenCalledKorma · 29/08/2018 18:02

I've always felt a bit sceptical about the whole "jobs that haven't even been invented yet" premise. Having seen that list, I'm even more so!

Virtual assistant = what used to be called a secretary/PA, but now they sit in a different building to you.

Zumba instructor = PE teacher/sports coach/dance instructor, just with a new sound track.

SEO Specialist/Chief Listening Officer/Social Media Manager = marketting person who now understands the internet as well as big colourful posters.

Drone operator = any kind of job where you had to drive a vehicle, it's just a different kind of vehicle with different rules.

And I'm tempted to say "Nutritionist" = "my mother" since she's the one that taught me to eat vegetables Grin. (I do know there's more to it than that, and my friend's a dietitcian who I wouldn't wish to offend. But honestly, teaching people to eat healthily is hardly a new thing).

Finnifinola · 29/08/2018 17:38

Isentthesignal

OMG I have two of these

It's frustrating

leonardthelemming · 29/08/2018 16:27

@MaisyPops

Yes, I accept that it may be different for different subjects. And I'm probably biased against writing things down because that isn't the way I learn - I avoided taking notes, and never referred back to any - but I stand by what I said about physics. It's an understanding subject, and once you do understand, you don't need to learn it.

I read somewhere that the lecture, as a method of instruction, is a way to:

"Transfer the notes of the lecturer to the notes of the student, without passing through the mind of either."

I totally subscribe to that idea.

As for writing though, I hated it at school, but now I actually write quite a lot. Educational stuff - mostly commissioned - and fiction. I hope my paragraphs aren't boring - but then I'm not writing under exam conditions, so not really a fair comparison.

Essentially, students should study in the way that best suits them as individuals, rather than following a prescribed, one size fits all, formula. But, they should be willing to experiment with different methods which may prove to be more efficient. Of course, leaving the experimenting until the end of Year 11 is probably not the best idea.

MaisyPops · 29/08/2018 13:05

leonardthelemming
It depends on the rewriting front.
I give my classes a sheet of key information on a topic. They have a week to learn it and I suggest rewriting.
So it goes like this:

  1. Read the material carefully (and check you understand it)
  2. Copy the material out in the exact format (sometimes I give it in a table and give them blank tables to fill) but with the sheet in front of you
  3. Read the first half, cover it, write it out, check and correct
  4. Read the second half, cover it, write it out, check and correct
  5. Read the whole sheet, turn it over, write it out, check and correct
  6. Come back in 24 hours time, write down everything you can remember. Check and correct.

Do the steps until you can confidently cover the whole sheet.

My logic is that one of the things that slows students down in English literature essays is they have 45 minutes to write the answer, but if they spend 15 minutes of that time trying to remember the thing they did that lesson, you know when Mrs Pops said... and it was sort of like... then that's time not spent crafting an excellent answer. Get the knowledge secure the rest starts to follow.
Staff can't drill exam technique if the knowledge isn't there (though sadly in my subject I've seen it happen lots e.g. drilling students to do a PEE/PEA/PEAL/PETAL paragraph but they haven't got the sophisticated ideas or knowledge to access higher grades. The result is deathly boring paragraphs with little subtance)

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