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The DfE needs to stop the farce of compulsory Maths and English GCSE resits

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noblegiraffe · 24/08/2018 11:37

Another year, another 124,560 students failing their GCSE maths resit and 99672 students failing their GCSE English resit.

Colleges have been saying for years that this government policy is a failure, that students are entered into cycle of resits and failures that does nothing to boost their confidence or enhance their qualifications.

If you get a 3 in maths or English GCSE you have to resit GCSE. If you get a 2 or below, you can take other qualifications like functional maths instead.

The government argues that GCSE is the key to opening doors and as many students as possible should be resitting to get that opportunity. But wouldn’t a qualification that they are actually likely to pass be better?

The resit pass rate for English dropped from 35.5% to 33.1% this year and for maths dropped from 37% to 22.7%. This is not an improving picture!

www.tes.com/news/gcse-results-english-and-maths-pass-rates-drops

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Isentthesignal · 31/08/2018 14:19

IME pre-warning kids that the test will be hard and they should expect to get less than 50% and that this will represent a good score for them is still pretty dispiriting. What other choice do they have - they are lambs to the slaughter, they are asked to face this without being adequately prepared either mentally or practically, it’s an incredibly harsh lesson.

AlexanderHamilton · 31/08/2018 14:15

I don't know if ds will do Foundation or Higher Science. At the start of the year he was predicted a borderline Grade 3/4 but has now gone up to predicted Grade 5.

RomanyRoots · 31/08/2018 14:08

I think mine might be the only one taking foundation, she did say that her teacher said that she will probably do higher with the others, not sure if maths or Science.
If they think she is borderline 4/5 should I argue for the foundation paper?
I could be ill informed though as not heard this from the horses mouth, just dd. Who has been known to get it wrong. Grin

AlexanderHamilton · 31/08/2018 13:58

do doo do doo do doo

(ds has been on a performing arts summer school the last 2 weeks and they do a warm up to it!)

noblegiraffe · 31/08/2018 13:26

Congratulations on your DS’s maths result and you kicking arse about functional skills, Babyshark

But Angry at your username because it’s now in my head again Grin

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Babysharkdoodoodoodo · 31/08/2018 13:06

My dad (sn) has finally passed maths with a 4 on the 3rd attempt. He got a U in English and college were trying to put him on the gcse again for the 4th time. I had to go in on my day off to make sure they put him on the functional skills level instead.

noblegiraffe · 31/08/2018 13:00

If she did better in the end of year exam than many in the top set, then she moves up, and the kid at the bottom moves down. That should be how setting works. (Why are you keen to move her up a set if they didn’t have a teacher?).

If the argument is that the kid at the bottom of the set can’t move down because the teaching in the lower set is inappropriate then that’s also your argument that it’s inappropriate for your DD. HoD should be addressing this.

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MaisyPops · 31/08/2018 12:52

she said she taught to the middle of the class and wouldn’t be changing that
Then that needs raising with the head of department in my opinion.

noblegiraffe · 31/08/2018 12:46

But framing their scores as ‘repeated failure’ is awful.

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noblegiraffe · 31/08/2018 12:46

IME pre-warning kids that the test will be hard and they should expect to get less than 50% and that this will represent a good score for them is still pretty dispiriting.

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Isentthesignal · 31/08/2018 12:28

I did speak to the teacher - she said she taught to the middle of the class and wouldn’t be changing that and referred dd to the internet if she wanted access to the more challenging parts of the course.
Dd is not over confident - the opposite I would say. If she was confident she might have the courage to work out the more advanced stuff for herself, without teacher support but I think that’s asking too much of her. Her tutor helps her stretch herself a little and so she feels better prepared for the exam. She did better in her end of year exam than many in the top set - mind you they were missing their teacher for half the year!
I think the worst of all worlds Noble is to set an exam that covers material you haven’t taught and not pre-warn the student that this is the case, they eventually figure is out with repeated failures - which is what dd and her friends did, no one realises different material was being taught - there must be a better way to get the message across.

MaisyPops · 31/08/2018 12:18

that just sounds like either poor teaching, or overconfidence on your DD’s part.

I would agree.
It's worth a chat with school about it, whilst being open to the fact it could be either.

noblegiraffe · 31/08/2018 12:13

In case it’s not clear, the foundation group that I taught all the foundation content to was the top group taking foundation. Other groups I would not teach all foundation content to.

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TeenTimesTwo · 31/08/2018 12:06

She is doing higher - but she found the course being taught to be easy - when did we stop encouraging kids to extend themselves? Was that just a primary school thing?

At DD's school pupils are encouraged to ask for extension work.

If my DD was consistently finding maths too easy, I would be contacting the teacher to ask their view and ask for extension questions or whatever.

noblegiraffe · 31/08/2018 12:05

We didn’t, Isent, that just sounds like either poor teaching, or overconfidence on your DD’s part.

Higher tier teaching is a shambles at the moment. I’ve also taught higher sets who have fallen apart on higher topic tests because a) they’re too hard and b) contain content that they haven’t been taught. But that’s what the higher tier is like. There’s an argument going on at the moment about whether the topic tests should be preparing the kids for the exam that they will face at the end where they will need maybe 1 in 5 marks for a 4, 58% for a 7 or whether we need to introduce ‘Intermediate’ topic tests where the grade 5-7 kids sit something that won’t ‘floor’ them but will conceal from them the topics/questions they’re not being taught until Y11.

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Isentthesignal · 31/08/2018 11:54

She is doing higher - but she found the course being taught to be easy - when did we stop encouraging kids to extend themselves? Was that just a primary school thing?

MaisyPops · 31/08/2018 11:51

noblegiraffe has it spot on.
I taught the whole course to all students (we don't had tiers any more and I think we should).
When it came to revision I emphasised different topics with different students.
E.g. A is a grade 5/6 student who needs to work on keeping calm and remembering to do language analysis in exam conditions or they're not hitting a whole assessment objective so they'll get more revision on that until it's secure because otherwise They'll scrape a 4 if they are lucky. (and giving them a level literary criticism probably isn't in their interests)

B is flying through and whilst they're only targeted a 6, they've been working at 7s/8s. They'll get some revision material on literary criticsm to push their interpetations to secure the 8.

C struggles to write enough in the time and frequently doesn't complete papers. They're capable of getting a 4 and their understanding is more of a 5, so I need to drill them in which order to answer questions and how best to structure their answers to get maximum marks given they can't write enough.

Each child has a different approach and focus. cakes seems to think that staff should be catering to learning styles (which don't exist), meeting the needs of individual students, whilst at the same time not having different work for different students (because everyone should have the same chance to get a 9 even though a basic bell curve tells you that isn't how it works).

noblegiraffe · 31/08/2018 11:50

Was she foundation or higher?

If higher, then lots of kids are floored by the end of topic tests.

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TeenTimesTwo · 31/08/2018 11:49

I do think there is a problem is pupils (and thus parents) don't realise there will be things on a test they haven't been taught, it is somewhat counter-intuitive until you understand why this happens.

Isentthesignal · 31/08/2018 11:43

I think if dd’s teacher had even told us she wasn’t planning to cover the whole course, we would have at least have understood what was going wrong - instead we found out by default by dd continuing to be floored by every end of topic exam.

noblegiraffe · 31/08/2018 11:26

I did teach that group all of the foundation curriculum, they were a good group and I really pushed them.

But, when it came to revision, I didn’t revise the whole foundation curriculum with all of them. I’d taught all of them trigonometry, but very few of them had actually learned it. Some of them it was worth going over again, but some of them it definitely wasn’t.

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Isentthesignal · 31/08/2018 11:18

I agree Noble but you are talking about kids who are taught all of the foundation paper - or did you leave bits of the foundation curriculum out too?

noblegiraffe · 31/08/2018 11:13

Isent obviously I’d like to believe it was all down to my superior teaching Grin but I do think that the decision to enter the set above for higher was a major factor. Pushing them onto harder topics instead of concentrating on consolidating the easier ones didn’t actually end up with better results.

cakes seems to think that teachers should be powering through the syllabus regardless of whether that’s what the pupils need.

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TeenTimesTwo · 31/08/2018 11:13

Yes DD2 is lucky she has me to help her. It hopefully means she will manage to make faster than expected progress whilst at secondary.

But schools can only do so much in the time they have with the resources they have.

I wandered onto the Michaela website the other day. Although some of it is OTT I can see where they are coming from. They really are trying to make every minute of the school day count, and using homework to reinforce skills.

Isentthesignal · 31/08/2018 10:58

Yesterday I sat DD2 down to start to refresh basic maths before the start of term. She is going in to y9. And isn’t your dd lucky she has you to help her - the kids whose parents can’t provide support are totally reliant on the school and the system that frequently fails kids from uneducated backgrounds.

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