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Residential trip COST!!!

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Cauliflowersqueeze · 23/07/2018 21:36

Monday-Friday on a PGL or PGL-style break with Year 7 or 8....

I really think £415 is far too much but these companies appear to be constantly putting up prices!

Has anyone experienced anything for a reasonable price?

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BackforGood · 24/07/2018 21:39

I don't think schools are creaming off money, or making money off the trip ChocolateWombat, I know it is PGL and the coach that take the money, but, for us, it was just not 'value for money', because, as I said earlier, my dc, and many of their friends have had the opportunities to do all those things, and to continue to do all those things, throughout the year, with Scouts (others with guides, or other Youth organisations). You can also go on taster sessions for all sorts of things like rowing, sailing, paddleboarding, FREE through the ParkLives scheme.
We've paid out more than that for our dc to go on some particular trips, later in secondary school - but they were trips we'd never do as a whole family, so were 'experiences' we were buying.
For me, it isn't about 'being able to pay on a monthly plan over the year', if the trip doesn't provide good value for money. It is still too expensive.
ow, if your demograph is such that not many dc get to go on activities or trip like this, then maybe the "value for money" is better - as it is a one off experience, but I'd wager that if the pupils as a whole haven't had those opportunities in the past, then they are likely to be families on more limited budgets anyway, so the high cost is a deterrent.

Noble makes a good point about 'the numbers left behind'. The fact it is in term time, means it is a very different prospect for those who don't go, than offering say a ski trip in the holidays, when those who don't / can't go, aren't "left behind in school".

I reckon your best bet for future years is to convince school managemant of the value of a residential experience, and then show them how much cheaper it could be much earlier in the year.

ChocolateWombat · 24/07/2018 20:46

It is possible to do some kind of trip for less than that, but for one which includes lots of activities which require equipment,N instructors and high ratios, it's a very usual price.

I agree that schools need to give loads of notice and a payment plan option and that school based activities need to be available as an alternative - and if all that happens it is okay and good to offer these things. They are very enriching and make a big difference to lots of kids - it's often when pushing themselves to try a new activity that they gain in confidence, or by staying away they develop independence. And yes, some children have done it all before with Scouts or on other holidays, but some haven't.

The reality is that this kind of enrichment does cost. Some people seem a bit out of touch with the reality of the cost of this kind of thing - they think schools are creaming off money, but schools usually work hard to get costs as low as poss. Not everyone will ever be able to afford it, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be offered at all. Lots of families will be able to afford it given plenty of notice and a payment plan, if they choose to go for it. For others they won't need to give the cost a second thought. Some won't get to go if school can't fund some places or subsidise some. I really don't think that this means the visits shouldn't be offered at all - yes, schools should shop around for a good deal and offer plenty of notice and payment plans, but they cannot be responsible for making sure all can afford it.

I'd also mention that running a trip like this involves hours and hours of work for schools. This will all be on top of the rest of their work....loads and loads or first assessments and paper work and dealing with money, plus meeting with staff and parents and then the time away which isn't paid extra. It's not because it makes money for individuals or schools but because they believe it really is educational and makes a difference.

Sometimes I no families do need to be prepared to make some sacrifices....and before people jump on me and say they can't afford food or bills,nor course I don't mean that, and I don't mean a family should go without their one camping holiday if the year either....but I do think that given a years notice, lots of families can and do manage to make a few sacrifices and plan ahead and include thing like birthday presents or gifts in the cost and find a way. However, I also see lots of families who believe that every single thing should be paid for by schools and parents should never have to pay for a pen or transport to a swimming lesson, or a revision guide, or any kind of trip - some of these people are hard up and some aren't but feel on principle that they must complain about any cost at all. Perhaps they haven't grasped the reality of school funding and that many schools don't have enough glue tpsticks or paper and have had to sack the teaching assistants, never mind providing any extras. Unfortunatley the reality is that parents WILL be asked to pay for more and more, because schools simply can't cover it...parents can say 'no' and education will become even more basic nd Spartan and grey, or those who can afford it easily or with a bit of a push, can accept they will have to pay and that is is just one of the costs of bringing up a child. And yes,nor course it's unfair that not everyone will be able to afford it even if they scrimp and save, but perhaps you have to look at the wider school provision and most schools will have provided some enrichment for all in some form and much of what is offered is very much optional.

Finally, why are providers like PGL etc used who obviously have to cover their costs and make some money too? Because firstly it already takes hours and hours and hours of work to run a reduce tail for school staff, even when using an established company and doing it all from scratch without using such a firm would take many many hours more (which would mean most trips just couldn't happen) plus the other key thing is insurance and expertise which these official companies supply and many local authorities or academies are not prepared to endorse trips without such suppliers...because the risk is simply too high to offer such activities and organise such trios without a big name and its insurance and expertise behind it all. So often it really is, use these companies or it can't happen.

LascellesMoustache · 24/07/2018 20:19

I don't think that is that much ready, it was about the same for our teenagers trip last year

MrsPnut · 24/07/2018 20:18

Hollowford in the Peak District can take 140 pupils, which may be an option.

We have however just paid £600 for our daughter to have a week at PGL during the summer holidays because there is no other holiday provision for secondary school aged children and they take childcare vouchers so we get £50 a month to pay for it.

SprogletsMum · 24/07/2018 20:14

I went to France for 5 days in year 8 for less than that!
It is a huge amount of money, for my dc that would have to be a flat no. Even on a year long payment plan we just wouldn't be able to afford it.

Cauliflowersqueeze · 24/07/2018 20:06

*pay not play

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Cauliflowersqueeze · 24/07/2018 20:06

Teen yes both those places look great but the year group is a lot more than they can accommodate.

PGL were asked for their best price but they don’t have to be competitive because people will play.

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Bonkerz · 24/07/2018 19:54

It is ridiculous the price they ask. My dd didn't go on her year 6 trip. It was £420 for 4 nights at PGL.
We've just had 7 nights 2 adults 2 children apartment Great Yarmouth £195 then £200 spending money which included activities and food!

Teenmum60 · 24/07/2018 19:06

Not sure where you are based but there are lots of centres around the UK that would not charge that price and would offer a comparable trip..although I would go back to PGL and say - sorry thats too high what is your best price and tell them you are looking at Kingswood too!
This is a centre in Suffolk which is brilliant but would only take 50 in the main centre £225 all inclusive for 4 nights (except travel)...they have a river (canoeing), caving, the high ropes is in my opinion much better than any of the Kingswood centres because its in a natural setting and they also do bushcraft! www.thorpewoodlands.co.uk/prices.php...
Here is another centre in the Peak District that do a school package for 4 nights for £195 per child with unlimited free staff/teachers and the centre is amazing and kept spotless. www.peakcentre.org.uk/index.html they also provide free waterproof footwear/jackets/trousers..

ScrubTheDecks · 24/07/2018 19:02

I don't think these trips should be stopped, I think all kids should be facilitated to go on them, ESPECIALLY the ones whose parents can't afford it. The schools need a fund, Pupil Premium or PTA fundraising or from central budget, to ensure that the children of struggling families are not left out.

I work with inner-city teenagers who have hardly been out of their own postcode / never been to the countryside / another regional city.

PGL type trips give kids the experience of different activities, test themselves against outdoor challenges, solve different problems, see the word differently, and yes, forge friendships over facing new challenges together.

I think all children should go on them, and as part of the school curriculum. Maybe one 'adventure' type trip in Yr 7, 8 or 9 and one curriculum trip (WW2 history or Glacial features or a language trip, or whatever is most appropriate and could be chosen by the child in pre-GCSE year)

TeenTimesTwo · 24/07/2018 18:42

I guess a 'trips week' in the summer term, say, will result in much higher prices that one in the spring term.
Can you find something similar at a campsite maybe?

tinytemper66 · 24/07/2018 18:25

Cost of a coach to go 28 miles and back again cost me £275 last week. Kids paid £10 each.
Going to Houses of Parliament in October and dread the probe of coach there and back though we can get some costing back.

Cauliflowersqueeze · 24/07/2018 18:25

It’s not the academic benefit, it’s the opportunity for children to learn how to get along together, how to be more independent, how to challenge themselves. Some come back with a huge increase in confidence and some really deepened friendships.

Really I can assure you that’s the price I’ve been quoted, including transport. Perhaps it’s because of the week requested.

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croprotationinthe13thcentury · 24/07/2018 18:00

I think they should stop these school breaks altogether. There will always be some kids whose parents simply cannot afford them, and it is then not fair on those children. There is no discernable academic benefits to such breaks, so why bother?

Reallylosingitthistime · 24/07/2018 17:50

I regularly make these bookings..... £200 a person for PGL and about another £25 a head for the coach so I don't know where the schools get over £400 from?

user1499173618 · 24/07/2018 17:49

Teenmum - Schools love Kingswood because they don’t have to do any work at all to organise the trip. My DD’s school went on a Kingswood Mon-Fri trip and the parents hated both the nature of the trip (dorms and zip wires with pretty low grade staff) and the cost, so the trip was changed for one the teachers organised.

user1499173618 · 24/07/2018 17:40

I don’t know what happened there! Is the provider Kingswood/Camp Beaumont/Equity, which are all brands of Inspiring Learning, à company owned by Bridgepoint, a private equity firm. Which explains why the trips are so expensive.

user1499173618 · 24/07/2018 17:34

One of the major providers of school trips to state schools is

Teenmum60 · 24/07/2018 17:33

Personally I think the likes of PGL and Kingswood take advantage of schools ...I have run several events at Kingswood during school holidays most of which were over a bank holiday weekend (for groups which have included adults and children)and it has costs £60-£80 for two nights all inclusive with 1 free place per 10 students ...so pro rata £120 -£160 for the actual food/accommodation and activities ...I dont think schools negotiate they just accept the price....School holidays/HT's tend to be quiet at these activity centres and they are always keen to take a booking and negotiate price....the prices quoted for Brownies/Guides groups etc are much lower than schools.

PerspicaciaTick · 24/07/2018 15:05

My DS's y6 trip costs similar but we could pay for it in dribs and drabs over 12 months which helped.

BubblesBuddy · 24/07/2018 15:03

I also meant to say, that notice and pricing is given a year in advance. Stage payments are offered. All the children know about it because it is such a highlight. Parents all know about it. It would be a shame to drop it.

BubblesBuddy · 24/07/2018 15:01

That is a good price for Monday-Friday PGL. Our school had to charge a bit more than that. We do get nearly every child going (except a couple where the parents now take them to Florida Disney for that week) and we always get a few who are not happy about the cost, but the vast majority are. That's the point really. The vast majority. It is their final "treat" with primary friends and they learn a lot from it. If the money is too much, for the vast majority, then you need to cut your coat according the cloth of your parents. We are a relatively affluent area. We also subsidise the trip for the PP children. We try very hard to be inclusive and if we thought it ws becoming a strain for lots of parents, we would reconsider and find something local and cheaper. However, the secondary schools and the grammar schools all offer expensive trips so this one is just the start!

Zodlebud · 24/07/2018 14:27

My DD is heading on a two night three day survival course with the Bushcraft Company next year and the price was very reasonable (£200). Can’t provide any feedback on it until she has actually been though!!!!

CMOTDibbler · 24/07/2018 13:13

Ds's school had a yr5 trip with the Bushcraft company and it was very reasonable. They were also massively inclusive and not phased by ds's friend who is autistic and a runner at the time

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