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3 different punishments over a 5 month period for one incident -is this even legal ?

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LifeIz · 18/07/2018 23:40

I have two kids at this school, one in year 7 and one in year 10. My DD was talking to friends during a lesson, her friend mention that her parent said the teacher was primordial, while my DD in response said her parent mention that the teacher was tribal... this conversation resulted in my DD having three different punishments, one being a 5 day internal exclusion, now she's on her fourth for the same incident, because the teacher said the first three punishments were not severe enough, culminating in another exclusion (this time external). [ angry]

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Anasnake · 20/07/2018 11:16

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LifeIz · 20/07/2018 11:15

The issue at the start of this forum was the fact that DD had been given numerous punishments for one incident with the 5 month gap.

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BertrandRussell · 20/07/2018 11:15

This is a waste of everyone's time, OP. You're obviously giving very selective information so those of us who might be able to help you can't because we only have bits of the story.

LifeIz · 20/07/2018 11:10

The kids who were sending the sexting images, swearing at teachers, destroying classrooms etc were not excluded or punished numerous times, but instead given detentions.

Tribal = a family like unit
Primordial = primitive

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MrsChollySawcutt · 20/07/2018 11:09

Really OP - that's a massive drip feed that suddenly you are claiming that the teacher racially abused your DD. Hmm

If that was true, surely you would have raised it with the Head and the Governors as mitigating evidence immediately??

IrmaFayLear · 20/07/2018 11:03

Well, there seems to be a lot more going on. Just ask for a meeting with the school. People on the internet can't possibly comment when they're only in possession of 1% of the facts.

LifeIz · 20/07/2018 11:00

At no point have I said that what DD said was not wrong, the issue I have raised was that she was punished 3 times for the same thing when the other child got away with it, all the children in the class wrote a statement saying what the other child said...so I am rather confused why my child of colour is getting all this preferential treatment.

...I have not included the fact that DD was mocked and bullied on racial grounds by the teacher for two years prior to this incident.

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IrmaFayLear · 20/07/2018 10:54

absolutely.

We're all discussing the definitions of words, but the mere fact of slagging off a teacher when they are in the same room shows a startling amount of arrogance as well as stupidity.

Btw, isn't primordial similar to saying someone is the "missing link"? I refer to people sometimes as this, meaning they are a bit unevolved , eg dh's friend who is the polar opposite of Renaissance Man.

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 20/07/2018 10:47

Your child's ethnicity is not at all relevant in the context of the pair of little madams sitting discussing their teacher in disparaging terms, right in front of her.

MrsChollySawcutt · 20/07/2018 10:44

So OP these things are bad:

'boys sending sexting images to other schools, children in gangs, children destroying whole rooms of equipment, both boys and girls swearing at teachers'

But racism is OK??

LifeIz · 20/07/2018 10:42

The ethnicity of my child is absolutely relevant, it will always be relevant.
I have just been told by a teacher at the school that the school has not excluded any child in the last few years, it is a known fact they have boys sending sexting images to other schools, children in gangs, children destroying whole rooms of equipment, both boys and girls swearing at teachers and not being excluded.

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Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 20/07/2018 10:42

But you refuse to explain the context in which your dd's teacher was described as tribal. You just insist it wasn't racist.
I've read the entire thread; and I'm no wiser now than I was after your first post.
Your refusal to clarify speaks volumes, though.

MrsChollySawcutt · 20/07/2018 10:41

I've read the whole thread and think CherryPavlova has is spot on.

What it is that we are both missing OP?

I know what is missing for me is any sense that you think the racist abuse heard at home and repeated at school is disgraceful.

LifeIz · 20/07/2018 10:37

CherryPavlova - please read the whole post.

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CherryPavlova · 20/07/2018 09:58

You still sound both racist and supportive of your daughter making racist comments.
Exam boards talking about art history might ask a question that requires student to compare the impressionists with tribal artwork from the Masai Mara. That is hugely different to suggesting a teacher had not evolved.

The ethnicity of your child is irrelevant. Go and speak to school about how you can support them to educate your child. Write and apologise to the teacher.

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 20/07/2018 08:15

Not at liberty to say Hmm. I'll bet...

ScrubTheDecks · 20/07/2018 08:08

So what had happened previously to precipitate a conversation in which a parent described a teacher as ‘tribal’? And what did they mean? Of course you are ‘at liberty’ to say, if you know.

If you believe that your child has beren badly treated by the school, that sanctions have been disproportionately applied and outside the policy, and if you think there are grounds to believe that your child has been unfairly victimised due to her race then you need to take it up with the school in ways that PP have suggested.

PanelChair is an expert in school procedures and policies (as is admission) and there is at least one person on the thread who is a school governor.

You need to talk to the school because either way you need to know whether your Dd is being treated unjustly or whether she is behaving unacceptably. I would want actual details rather than ‘British values’ , for example.

•Bibesia* there is also a context, for example, in which POC use it to describe a different POC community, and it offensive, and intended to be so. Context is ALL. Who said it and who to / about, and why.

Broken11Girl · 20/07/2018 06:36

Agree with pp that much of the story is missing.
No sympathy with your DD saying such rude, disrespectful, nasty and probably racial comments about a teacher tbh.
It's not really on to continue to punish her months later, though, if that is what school are in fact doing.

Shortstuff08 · 20/07/2018 06:34

There's clearly large pieces of information being missed here. Which means no one can answer or give advice.

Anasnake · 20/07/2018 06:29

Massive piece of this story missing

BertrandRussell · 20/07/2018 00:29

Yes-there are loads of contexts in which "tribal" is not racist. It seems unlikely that those are the contexts we are talking about here.

Bibesia · 20/07/2018 00:08

The word "tribal" is increasingly used in the sense of political tribes and is certainly not necessarily racist. Have a look at this article, for instance.

BertrandRussell · 20/07/2018 00:07

Yeah well, if it was perfectly innocent and and not racist there would be no reason for you not saying how it was used, would you?
More to this than meets the eye, as they say.

Bibesia · 20/07/2018 00:05

An external exclusion for an incident that happened five months ago that has already been the subject of lesser punishments would certainly be illegal. Have you had a letter officially informing you of the exclusion and giving notice of your right to ask the governors to review it? If so, I suggest you exercise that right.

MrsChollySawcutt · 20/07/2018 00:04

I find the OP minimising of the use of racist language in the home and at school rather distasteful. If it was all so innocent you could easily explain the contextual use of those words.