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3 different punishments over a 5 month period for one incident -is this even legal ?

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LifeIz · 18/07/2018 23:40

I have two kids at this school, one in year 7 and one in year 10. My DD was talking to friends during a lesson, her friend mention that her parent said the teacher was primordial, while my DD in response said her parent mention that the teacher was tribal... this conversation resulted in my DD having three different punishments, one being a 5 day internal exclusion, now she's on her fourth for the same incident, because the teacher said the first three punishments were not severe enough, culminating in another exclusion (this time external). [ angry]

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LifeIz · 20/07/2018 23:59

Hi Admission are you online ? - just PM'd you.

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Di11y · 20/07/2018 22:28

Even if what your daughter said was undisputedly racist she should have had a clear punishment at the time, if it merited external exclusion, that should have happened straight away.

But I'd say too late now, let's see what next year brings.

Lougle · 20/07/2018 22:16

Can I third, if it is ever necessary, admission's advice, and urge you to take up her kind offer, because it sounds like you have a very complex and difficult history with this teacher and, now, the school, which will be hard to unpick in the sense of proving which behaviour led to the other. It sounds like there has been a complete interpersonal breakdown, but only going from your fragmented posts, which is bound to happen when you are responding in real time to forum posts. If you have a single conversation with @admission, where you can give a more coherent history of the situation, she can guide you properly.

Either way, I hope you can work with the school to create a more positive relationship going forward, because this will benefit your DD hugely, no matter who was at fault in this last year. I sincerely hope that her status as a child of colour is not being used in any way against her - it's awful if that's true.

PanelChair · 20/07/2018 18:46

Do take up Admission’s kind offer, because this situation really does need closer scrutiny.

Pengggwn · 20/07/2018 18:41
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admission · 20/07/2018 17:51

Could I suggest that you PM me, with relevant facts on what happened 5 months ago and how you ended up with a 5 day external exclusion for the same issue, if you do not believe that you can put any more details in posts. I would also want to know in detail what the email about the 5 day exclusion said.
Then I might be able to offer some advice on what you can and cannot do, based on my experience as Chair of Governors and the fact that I have sat on Independent Review Panels for permanent exclusions 9 times this academic year.

RhythmStix · 20/07/2018 14:59

OP your dd was racist and spiteful. To a teacher.
Suck it up.

PortiaCastis · 20/07/2018 14:51

Have you met with the teacher?

IrmaFayLear · 20/07/2018 14:45

So you have met this teacher? Your OP implies that you have, if both you and other parent were able to say that teacher was this, that or the other.

Anasnake · 20/07/2018 13:42

Not buying this at all

BertrandRussell · 20/07/2018 12:40

So you made a formal complaint to the school about this teacher’s racist behaviour? What was the outcome of that complaint?

maz99 · 20/07/2018 12:26

I have read the whole trying to understand what is going on here, but like others I am still confused.

The ethnicity of my child is absolutely relevant, it will always be relevant.

OP, can you please explain this. Do you realise that people of the same ethnicity can still be discriminatory towards each other ?

Whattheactualfuckmate · 20/07/2018 12:11

life just going off your posts at face value and assuming your not adding things or exaggerating them.

It does seem as though your child is getting a rough ride out of all this.

ScrubTheDecks · 20/07/2018 11:55

I do agree that your Dd's ethnicity is always relevant.

It sounds as if there are serious issues with the school as a whole.

OK I will be very clear and blunt rather than second guess. I hope I do not offend anyone.

I have 3 times witnessed extreme friction between members of the African-Caribbean community and people who have come here from African countries. In one of these the word tribal almost led to violence. I am well aware of ongoing tension amongst some, a minority, of people from these different groups, and it is of course caused and fuelled by the worst of history.

It is quite ;possible that a child be discriminated against (unconscious bias) for being black / mixed race, yes, it still happens in schools, there was an obvious example shown on screen in the recent Grammar Schools series on Tv. It is also possible for a child to use this form of insult against a teacher (as it sounds as if yours did) , and for a teacher to engage in inter-community prejudice or discrimination.

As others have said, she should not have faced repeated and cumulative punishments for a single incident.

A teacher should NEVER have said those things before this all started and I am amazed that you would not have pursued a formal complaint through every possible channel.

I would start with finding out the school's version of why the repeated punishments occurred but have a statement of everything that has happened which is relevant.

Is it possible for your child to change schools?

LifeIz · 20/07/2018 11:47

After many complaints about the teacher, and about her further actions against DD, it eventually led to this.

After DD said what she said, she was placed in internal isolation for 5 days. After DD was receiving horrible looks from the teacher, I complained again. After this complaint, the teacher said that DDs punishment wasn't severe enough.

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IrmaFayLear · 20/07/2018 11:42

But telling someone they are not up to a subject isn't racist. It may be wrong or even vindictive, but not racist .

Is she in Year 10? Or has she taken her GCSEs?

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 20/07/2018 11:42

Her school does not constantly monitor this site, you are being deliberately ridiculous now. Give over.

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 20/07/2018 11:40

How can the teacher be a family like unit all by herself? This can’t possibly have been the context in which it was used.

MarchingFrogs · 20/07/2018 11:40

I am a bit sceptical about putting the whole issue online as I am aware the DD's school constantly monitors this site

BlimeyShock
No funding issues there, then, if they can afford a full-time MN watcher.

Another possible meaning of 'tribal', non-racist: leading / encouraging her own special group of children, possibly to the exclusion of others in the same class - ?

Just trying to help you out, hereSmile.

LifeIz · 20/07/2018 11:39

The teacher constantly told DD she was taking the foundation paper because "she was not up to it", bearing in mind that DD is in all top set classes and is predicted to get 8s in that subject.

When DDs books were not marked and revision guides not supplied by the teacher a month before the exam, I phoned and complained. This is when all the problems seem to have started.

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BertrandRussell · 20/07/2018 11:38

And what was the result of the complaints you made about the teacher's blatant racism?

IrmaFayLear · 20/07/2018 11:38

Are you really sure? I can't imagine anyone - let alone a teacher - would actually say that to a teenager's (well, anyone's) face. No dad on file? This must apply to many hundreds of pupils.

If a teacher had said anything approaching all this surely you would have raised it straightaway?

LifeIz · 20/07/2018 11:32

Last year, the teacher constantly commented on the fact there was no dad on file and said to DD 'all you people are like that'. There were many instances when the teacher made snide comments about DD's race. This pushed DD into a long state of anxiety when she didn't feel safe in the school because if she reported anything, she felt as if something would happen.

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MrsChollySawcutt · 20/07/2018 11:20

Context is everything though OP. So many posters have bothered to explain that.

Brown is just a colour like any other but can also be a horribly racist term.

Until you give a true ana accurate representation of what actually happened, and the backstoryI can't see how anyone can help.

LifeIz · 20/07/2018 11:18

I am a bit sceptical about putting the whole issue online as I am aware the DD's school constantly monitors this site.

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