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Beechen Cliff Bath- 'Inadequate' Ofsted

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LovelyBath77 · 03/07/2018 09:32

Just seen this, doesn't look very good.

www.beechencliff.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Ofsted-2018-Full-Inspection-Report.pdf

and previously-
files.api.beta.ofsted.gov.uk/136520__4.PDF

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newdocket · 16/07/2018 11:18

localbath, yes the streaming in Y7 involves being put in one class for all subjects, so you are in the same class for everything. As such, you could eg be an overperformer in English and an underperformer, relative to others in your class, for Maths. So it's not streaming in the same way as Hayesfield, where you are streamed from the outset for every subject on the basis of your SATs. I guess Y7 classes are probably more mixed ability because of this than they would be at HF.

I do think they over-rely on CAT scores, these are outdated and not the best measure of ability. I really don't understand why they can't work with SATs scores at the outset.

This notice of closure thing is concerning but surely they can't actually close the school, they'd have to introduce new management rather than do that? It says in the news that they gave the notice to the school on the 5th, which means they would have known about this and not told parents at the meeting which, if the case, is terrible.

localbathmum · 16/07/2018 09:38

I'm afraid that the evidence from a wide range of studies that setting only benefits the most able is roundly ignored by most schools. Beechen claims not to set got maths and English in year seven and to teach in mixed ability groups for these subjects, or at least it did when I looked at their prospectus when choosing schools. This is pretty misleading though. Beechen is very unusual in using CATs taken before starting at the school to stream from the outset.

The problem with streaming, where they are (correct me if I'm wrong) placed in teaching groups for most or all subjects based on test results in some subjects is that children might be able in maths but not English and find themselves not being taught to their strength because of the stream they are in. The website says "very occasionally, mistakes are made in the groupings and boys nice groups" suggesting that they have a lot of faith in those decisions and kids are pretty much stuck. This is not good at all.

I would be unsurprised if some of the low level disruption reported by Ofsted, and anecdotally by friends of mine, comes from a sense of despondency at not getting Work to challenge them or seeing a possibility of moving. Setting only works well when it's very fluid, and still shows benefits only for the able children and negative effects for the less able.

In most other secondaries in Bath, setting occurs at Christmas at the very earliest and then only for maths. It is very challenging to reach mixed ability groups for maths, and it's a compromise. Setting in other subjects starts in year 8, but not in all subjects and schools take different approaches.

Sorry to put this in such detail, but I think it's important to understand all this.

LovelyBath77 · 16/07/2018 08:58

"The study finds that fear of reactions from parents, who often expect children to be grouped in sets or streams, as well as a more general caution in schools, may be playing a part in these decisions.

It cites previous evidence that setting, where pupils are grouped in classes based on prior results in tests or other judgements the school may make about their ‘ability’, is overwhelmingly used for maths in English secondary schools.

It is also widely used in English in secondary schools and has extended into primary schools. This is despite established research showing that, while ‘high-attaining’ pupils may make some gains from the practice, the reverse is true for those in lower sets, including many students from poorer backgrounds."

OK so it does say it is often used in school but right from the start? I don;t think the other school nearby does this as much.

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LovelyBath77 · 16/07/2018 08:56

Sorry- set into the lower stream I mean.

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LovelyBath77 · 16/07/2018 08:55

On a personal note, this concerns me, setting right from the start which is what happens at BC. My son was set from the start from the SATs results and CATs and said the first term or two they just seemed to go over stuff again and again and not learn much new stuff. Then they only seem to be able to do the Core maths tests and move up only if they can 'prove' they are doing well enough.

www.ucl.ac.uk/ioe/news-events/news-pub/sep-2017/schools-teaching-ability-sets

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LovelyBath77 · 16/07/2018 08:50

Because it is already working with Hayfield would that not be the route to go perhaps?

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localbathmum · 15/07/2018 23:10

I'm not convinced that local schools would be queuing up to include Beechen in a MAT because of its reaction to the Ofsted and its general "go our own way" approach so I agree, some other route would be needed.

localbathmum · 15/07/2018 23:10

I'm not convinced that local schools would be queuing up to include Beechen in a MAT because of its reaction to the Ofsted and its general "go our own way" approach so I agree, some other route would be needed.

localbathmum · 15/07/2018 23:07

I don't think that it has really got through to lots of parents at the school, whose sons are having a great time, that the reality is not perfect and that Ofsted don't hand out reports like this because of single incidents, political conspiracies or just to bring down a fine establishment.

admission · 15/07/2018 23:05

Lets be clear, it would not be possible to just close the school because of the number of pupils in the school and the relative lack of places available across the Bath area. So it will stay open but in what form is what will be decided over the next few weeks and months.

The DfE are taking a hard line on this school because of its reaction to the Ofsted report, which is suggesting that there is little wrong, when the Ofsted report says there is a lot wrong. If the school and specifically the governing / trust board of the school do not start talking in much more realistic tones about what needs to happen in the school, what will happen, in my opinion, is that the DfE via the Regional School Commissioner will remove the governing/trust board and replace it with an Interim Executive Board or whatever is the current term used for this in an academy.

localbathmum · 15/07/2018 21:32

Beechen has a reputation for doing things its own way and not always for the best for all pupils. Joining a MAT would very much help it to get its feet back on the ground and be a bit more of a team player. Might be something of a poisoned chalice for the MAT it joins unless it really has the intention to change.

cantkeepawayforever · 15/07/2018 16:02

Posters like teachergirl presumably WANT there to be a conspiracy to explain away the fact that Ofsted has identified that the school is failing. IME this is quite common when a 'publicly well regarded' school gets a poor Ofsted, as many people find the conspiracy / political theory easier to accept than the idea that the school might not be as good as they thought it was.

cantkeepawayforever · 15/07/2018 16:00

Some years ago, there was a government policy that all schools should be part of MATs. However, the policy position has changed considerably This parliamentary report summarises it quite neatly and I would say that while there remains pressure on non-academies to form academies, there is much less pressure / will, if any, for stand-alone academies which are performing well to join MATs any more.

errorofjudgement · 15/07/2018 15:54

Sorry ignore the random question mark!

errorofjudgement · 15/07/2018 15:51

That’s a rhetorical question by the way?

errorofjudgement · 15/07/2018 15:51

Lovely - what the other posters are telling you is Beechen Cliff has huge problems. The Ofsted report has NOT been engineered in any way as a political exercise to make it join a MAT.
Frankly why would any successful academy even want to be associated with BC?

LovelyBath77 · 15/07/2018 15:46

Hmm, OK. So why politically would they want it to join a MAT? What advantage would there be to that?

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cantkeepawayforever · 15/07/2018 15:40

Lovely,

I think there is a difference between:

'As a result of its very poor Ofsted and the help it will need to improve, Beechen Hill will be required to join other academies in a successful Multi Academy Trust' and

'Politically, the powers that be wanted Beechen Hill to join a MAT and this the Ofsted report was specifically rigged to be awful in order to force this to happen' - the latter is what Teachergirl is suggesting has happened.

The first states that the school is poor, and current government policy is that poor schools join MATs to aid their improvement (whether that is a GOOD policy is open to debate, but it is policy).

The second states that the school is, in fact, really good, but was artificially given a poor Ofsted in order to engineer it joining a MAT for political purposes. I can't see that the data for this school, and for the Ofsteds of other stand-alone academies country-wide, supports this assertion.

LovelyBath77 · 15/07/2018 15:27

As the news headline did say

Beechen Cliff School could be closed or taken over by an academy trust it doesn't sound like un unreasonable thing to say Confused

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LovelyBath77 · 15/07/2018 15:21

Teachergirl can you explain about the MAT please. Thanks.

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LovelyBath77 · 15/07/2018 15:13

Yes, it says they have The City of Bath Schools’ Alliance which is a partnership that exists between Beechen Cliff and Hayesfield

here - and governing bodies work together ?

www.hayesfield.com/index.php/about/the-city-of-bath-schools-alliance/

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LovelyBath77 · 15/07/2018 15:11

Hayesfield is now joined with Beechen Cliff in terms of admissions etc isn't it. Not sure how that might affect things Confused

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arealltheusernamestaken · 15/07/2018 14:39

Leaders are insinuating the whole report is invalid and just a public telling off for the auction. As is clear from the report and this thread that's rubbish. Is the problem with stand alone academies that it's really hard to get rid of incompetent Heads and governing bodies? Is that why there is pressure to join a MAT? Why wasn't the school put in special measures?

cantkeepawayforever · 15/07/2018 14:27

Hmmm... so a school which was already considering forming a MAT was given a horrendously poor Ofsted report which makes this a much less attractive prospect...?

Definitely a political move to make it join a MAT. How obvious - how could I have doubted it?