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Is this true about year 7?

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justanotherusername1234 · 30/06/2018 07:39

I was talking with another mum, her dc is in year 7 and she claims her dc has not learned anything new in year 7 and is pretty much doing the same kind of work as in primary school, is this true? Surely this can't be right?

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Land0r · 30/06/2018 16:40

MarchingFrogs Yes, they cover a lot of the KS2 curriculum in yr4 and all of it by the end of yr5. (DD2 is the youngest in the year so is still 8 now at the end of yr4, but everyone else is 9.) By the end of yr5, when everyone bar DD2 will be 10, they will have covered the whole curriculum. The 11+ in this county is very early September in yr6 and the maths in the 11+ exam (rather unfairly) covers the whole of the KS2 curriculum. That's why so many children are tutored outside school I think.

Thank you, I will definitely check that DD1 doesn't have any gaps - I hadn't considered that. She's breezed through everything in yr7 maths so far - this weekend's homework was algebra, which she did in yr4 and again in yr6. Different maths teacher now for DD2 so she hasn't done algebra yet.

ChocolateWombat · 30/06/2018 16:34

Children often find it difficult to judge how much new information they have covered and say they haven't covered anything new, when in fact they have.....and after covering something, can't always remember accurately if it was covered for the first time or not. That's worth remembering.

Most subjects have building blocks. In any year group, you never start with brand new material and don't re-visit some of the prior knowledge or building blocks. In Year 7 quite a lot if this is needed with children coming from many different schools, but they will be going further than previously too. In some subjects they will cover all new ground and in some subjects some old ground and some new ground. It's also worth remembering that because you are looking at something you might have looked at before, this isn't wasted and it's actually necessary to cover things several times to gain a secure grasp of them. This 'inter-leaving' of topics - regularly returning to topics covered previously, recalling them, seeing connections to new topics and re-visiting over and over again over time, rather than just in a big cram for an exam at the end of the year, is current educational thinking. It's about making knowledge and understanding secure.....and having covered something once in primary in Yr4 or in Y6 doesn't make it secure.

I had a DC go to a Prep where they did several years of quite serious French and couple of years of Latin, as well as some Maths and Science beyond KS2 stuff. Once in Yr 7 of their next school (also independent and with probably half and half state and independent intake) they started French and Latin from the beginning....they were advantaged and their prior knowledge gave them confidence, but they did learn new things in each topic and certainly re-I forced their knowledge and skills. It was the same in science and some topics had been covered before, but some were covered in greater depth and some covered in a different way. Learning was definitely going on. It's too simplistic to say 'done that before, therefore waste of time and no new learning happening'. As I said at the start, children often find it hard to pinpoint exactly what they've learned which is totally new and what they have learned which is deepening understanding of topics already covered....actually, it's often the more able who can see which work is harder and can see where learning has happened, and those who are weaker who think they've done everything before, in the same way, it's often weaker students who think every test is easy, because their understanding isn't there to recognise when something actually is difficult.
In every year, absolutely rightly, chunks of time are spent re-visiting and embedding knowledge and skills. It is vital. More of it will happen in Yr 7 if everyone is new. Don't think learning isn't happening.

ReginaPhalange20 · 30/06/2018 16:04

Not true but it definitely is nothing to worry about because it's not a massive jump

BoneShaker · 30/06/2018 16:03

DD is in Yr7.

Maths has meant repeating some of the same topics as she did at primary school but, as sashh says, it's in more depth this time around. DD has definitely learnt a lot through this approach.

The other subjects have involved looking at lots of new topics that she's never looked at before. It's been very different to primary school.

MarchingFrogs · 30/06/2018 15:58

ALL of the maths she's done in yr7 she did in yr4 or yr5, and she frequently has the same maths homework as DD2 who is currently in yr4.

So they had covered most or all of the KS2 curriculum (Yes, I know Indies don't have to follow the same scheme of work as maintained schools, but we all need the same maths skills at that age) by the age of 8?

I must admit that I would be tempted to check that she had actually covered all of the curriculum for KS2 that the pupils from state primaries will have done. It's possible to do quite a bit of 'accelerated' stuff in some areas but then find that in others, one has actually missed out on the basics / intermediate stuff (This happened to one of ours who was moved into a year six class for half of year five - top of the class in maths for a year and a half and only realised in year 7 that there was year 5 stuff that he had missed completely).

Land0r · 30/06/2018 13:14

My DD1 is in yr7 at state grammar after 8 years at prep. ALL of the maths she's done in yr7 she did in yr4 or yr5, and she frequently has the same maths homework as DD2 who is currently in yr4. Many of her class at grammar had never done French before but those who came from prep schools had been learning French since they were 3 years old.

There are a few subjects she hasn't done before - resistant materials, food tech, textiles etc so these have been great fun and quite challenging at times. Also science is taught as biology, chemistry and physics, whereas at prep she did 'general science'. Music has had quite a bit of composing, which she hadn't done much of before. English, RE, history, geography etc have all covered different topics to those she did at prep.

rainingcatsanddog · 30/06/2018 12:53

My ds has enjoyed English in y7 as it's taught so differently to y6 which was drilling for SATS. In primary school he hated literacy so this has been a surprise.

Your friend's son might be doing well in his set but everybody in that set probably got similar CATS/SATS scores.

rainingcatsanddog · 30/06/2018 12:50

Not true. There seems to be quite a lot of recapping in y7 in primary work but everything else has been new.

LockedOutOfMN · 30/06/2018 10:45

I'm a teacher and our school (independent) goes through from 20 months to 18 so we liaise with the Year 5 and 6 teachers to ensure that topics aren't repeated in Year 7 however the skills and demands of the work are completely different anyway from Primary to Secondary.

I can't see how your friend's DC had not learned anything in English. Surely they have read new books, for starters? And her DC will be doing things like writing articles, diaries, letters, speeches, and stories throughout her education in English but the type of thing she wrote in Y6 will be very different to what she's expected to write for the same kind of task at iGCSE level.

I agree with the pp who said best to smile and nod at your slightly confused friend.

HollyGibney · 30/06/2018 10:43

I hope it is true. I want my dd to ease into year 7 at her new school with all the huge changes that brings. Familiar academic ground will help with that.

justanotherusername1234 · 30/06/2018 10:40

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar yes that's what I thought, how can her dc be top of the class and be achieving top marks then, if the school uses sats results to predict gcse level?

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justanotherusername1234 · 30/06/2018 10:39

MrsBertBibby funny thing is, she has always been very secretive about school results until now that she thinks her dc is top of the class. She even mentioned what score she got for all subjects in the last report and if I'm honest I think she completely misunderstood the report. They give a score for behaviour/attendance/effort and then they give a gcse target (according to sats results). She mention her dc got 2 different scores (the highest 2 scores according to her) in all subjects. In fact the 2 scores she mentioned are the highest you can achieve but only for behaviour/attendance/effort not GCSE and if that is what her dc GCSE target is then it's actually quite low.

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Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 30/06/2018 10:36

100 is a bare pass, is it not?

MrsBertBibby · 30/06/2018 10:24

Your friend is a right bloody show-off, no?

"Top of the class" eh?

I think you just need to smile and nod until she gets over herself.

justanotherusername1234 · 30/06/2018 10:18

Friend's dc achieved 100 + on year 6 sats, but I don't think it was a high score (all less than 110 I think). She said that her dc is saying that they are not learning anything new in general, particularly maths and English? She seems to think her dc is top of the class and says dc achieved the maximum possible in the last report for all subjects.
I really do not believe that in year 7 you learn nothing at all, it's just odd.

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MrsBertBibby · 30/06/2018 10:18

Your friend's child may well not have learned anything new in Y7 on account of not listening or doing their work properly.

I'm sure, though, that they will have been being taught new things.

foundoutyet · 30/06/2018 10:18

yes for maths, but so many other subjects were new, eg French

Trampire · 30/06/2018 10:15

Not true.

BeautifulWintersMorning · 30/06/2018 10:13

No i didn't find this in dd's state school. They were set for Maths, Eng and French in year 7 and Science and Spanish in year 8

Strax · 30/06/2018 10:08

We have found this to be the case in a lot of subjects. My Dd moved from private to state and a lot of subjects aren't set yet so there's a lot of repetition. In other subjects though, they've covered an enormous amount of work.

anotherangel2 · 30/06/2018 10:07

Crap. They will suddenly be having specialist teachers so in history rather than say learning the story of history they will suddenly be learning source skills. They will be learning new information but they will need to build on existing knowledge so it may seem at a quick glance oh they are learning equations agains but they will be pushed further and they will be starting to learning skills needed for GCSE.

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 30/06/2018 10:06

Absolutely not. Unless as a pp said; they were extremely behind on entering Year 7?

KappaKappa · 30/06/2018 10:05

Not true in my experience as a mum and a teacher in both independent and state schools.

sashh · 30/06/2018 10:05

Oh god the, "I've already done this Miss, why do I have to do it again?" child.

No you didn't do it last year, last year we did the foundation of the subject, this time we are looking more in depth but we need to review last years work for 1 hour first"

When they are doing GCSEs they will be using some skills they learned at primary, and at A Level too.

Sugarhunnyicedtea · 30/06/2018 10:04

Absolutely not true for DS. Year 8, however, has been a breeze in comparison