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Lost appeal - help....

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NotQuiteSoOnEdge · 15/06/2018 11:21

I'm hoping I can reach the appeal experts who were so kind as to help me prepare my appeal. I don't know how to link my previous thread.

I've heard yesterday that I lost my appeal. 60 appeals were heard and 3 upheld.

I'm in shock, as is my DS's school. We are finding it hard to understand how there are three cases 'worse' or more compelling than his. I have a consultant psychiatrists letter explicitly stating that due to the small size of the school in question, the nature of the buildings themselves, and her own experience of the pastoral care offered there, that it will be actively detrimental to his mental and emotional health not to attend. It is the only school like it in the city.

I was in my hearing for one hour. They asked a multitude of questions that I was fully open answering, and they didn't challenge my answers, except in one instance, which I was able to explain what steps I had taken to ensure my information was correct.

I came out feeling that I had done as well as I possibly could, and that the panel were thorough and very interested in his story. I'm honestly feeling sick with shock. I know you aren't supposed to count your chickens etc, but I can't see how this went wrong.

What do I do now? Can you appeal an appeal??

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NotQuiteSoOnEdge · 18/06/2018 10:30

Hello.

No letter yet. But I want to say thank you. Whilst it's a shitty situation, which has now given me a spectacular migraine as well, the help and support on here is keeping me sane and helping me keep a lid on my panic. I'm sure I can figure out a way forward with all the expertise and generosity on here. I'll update when I have concrete information.

Thank you all.

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Middleoftheroad · 17/06/2018 23:40

@PanelChair both Birmingham and Walsall LAs wrote rather than called, if this also helps.

PanelChair · 17/06/2018 23:22

I'll mention this to my LEA - this sample of 3 LEAs might not be representative, but it suggests mine is out of step!

Middleoftheroad · 17/06/2018 23:16

Hi OP - hope you manage some rest.
I had my own appeal hell last year and it was gut wrenching.
Hope you get the letter soon.

Thanks to all the experts who so kindly came to help another parent again.

PatriciaHolm · 17/06/2018 22:33

My LEA don't call either for the same reason.

Having also looked at the letter, it's pretty strong, especially in the context of 3 appeals having been won. I think the letter will be crucial in figuring out what has happened.

PanelChair · 17/06/2018 21:55

That's interesting, admission. My LEA rings parents and schools to inform them of the decision as soon as the decisions are made, so at the end of the day or end of the session for that school if it goes over more than one day.

admission · 17/06/2018 21:21

You do need to wait and see what the letter says, as this is the only clue as to what the panel were thinking. If others like PRH are saying the consultants letter was a strong recommendation then it is strange that others have been admitted but not your child.
Frankly it is bad process that the admission authority have given you an answer verbally, my LA will not do this because of the danger (and it has happened) that the admin person does give out the wrong decision.

anappleadaykeeps · 17/06/2018 14:22

Feel so sorry for you.

Our situation was different but similar. Child Protection, CAMHS Tier 3 and EHCP all involved, but the right decisions and processes on DS school failed completely. DS had been out of school for 4 months, and his anxiety/ASD symptoms went sky-high.

I had been going through all the formal channels, escalating, chasing, but getting nowhere.
MP involvement was what helped in our case. It ended up with DS's case being handled personally by the #2 in the LA Schools department.

Plan B had been to try the Press, if MP didn't work, but MP intervention was fantastic. The top level in the LA were desperate to get it resolved once they were being challenged by the MP on how had the processes failed this vulnerable child in such an extreme way.

If something appears to have gone wrong, which this thread sounds like might be the case, this might be helpful.

Wishing you all the best of luck.

NotQuiteSoOnEdge · 17/06/2018 13:38

We had a separate stage 1 hearing which all attended, then we came separately for stage 2. The school does have site restraints, and a 120 PAN, however, it went from a 4 to 5 class intake last sept, land has been given planning permission, and the PAN for next year and going forwards will be 150. Lastly it is a random allocation school.

I wish I had the letter. Feeling sick with stress all weekend is miserable.

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PanelChair · 17/06/2018 11:06

Whatever has happened here, OP, it is not your fault. It sounds as if you presented your case in great detail, the psychiatrist’s letter also provided plenty of detail and supported your argument and (as Wooddie says) the appeal hearing examined it all very thoroughly.

I agree that it’s possible that there were other appeals that centred on the child’s need for social and pastoral support for various reasons, but in my experience it’s quite rare in those sorts of appeals for the parent to be able to demonstrate that the appeal school is better able to meet the child’s needs than any other; very often, it’s clear that the child is vulnerable but not that the appeal school is any better geared to provide the necessary support. Again, in my experience, the supporting evidence from professionals is often not very helpful, because it outlines the needs but does not say that the appeal school is better placed to meet those needs. As Wooddie says, it may be that the three successful appeals were rectifying errors in the admissions process - and we don’t have the complete picture here - but it all adds to my sense of surprise and that further examination of what went on is needed.

NotQuiteSoOnEdge · 17/06/2018 08:54

My DS IS one of those children. We had extensive CYPS and CAFCASS involvement following DV, which led to seven years of CAMHS to deal with developmental trauma. All of which was outlined in my appeal letter, and spoken about during the hearing.

I'm terrified it was my fault, that I said, or didn't say, something.

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Wooddie · 17/06/2018 08:43

I sense from sitting on Panels that the financial pressures are meaning that popular schools have increased their PAN, are teaching in larger group sizes and have very limited support for SEN students. Generally this means schools cases becoming stronger than previous years and hence the prejudice rising significantly.

It is possible that successful appellants have been given a place at stage one (ie there has been a procedural error) and the strength of their case is irrelevant. The OP describes a hearing where the Panel were very thorough. Were there a number of appellants who were in similar situations who needed/wanted the school for the similar reasons who had similar evidence? Small, very caring high schools are very sought after by families for vulnerable children. Among the 60 there may well be children with significant social services involvement (but not in public care), children affected by bereavement, violence etc, children whose families have had to move for a serious reason and missed the application deadline who would have got a place..... All these may well be backed up by strong supporting evidence.

All that said the OP cases looks very strong but difficult to judge without the full context. Hopefully the letter will shed more light on the decision.

PanelChair · 17/06/2018 00:26

Something might have gone horribly wrong. The panel may have confused your child with another, the clerk might have rung you with another appeal’s outcome, the panel might have misread or disregarded the psychiatrist’s letter. I wonder too whether they homed in on one part of the diagnosis and took the view that it’s not a rare condition and another school could provide the right support. Or it could be none of these things. The decision letter might shed some light.

NotQuiteSoOnEdge · 17/06/2018 00:11

I've PM'd you PatriciaHolm

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NotQuiteSoOnEdge · 17/06/2018 00:10

So I'm not delusional in thinking something may have gone horribly wrong? I hope I get the letter quickly. I was so sure if any got in on appeal he would be one of them. It just doesn't make sense to me. His psychiatrist was pretty clear. Baffled is exactly how I feel.

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prh47bridge · 16/06/2018 23:11

I agree completely. It will be interesting to see whether the decision letter gives us any clues as to what happened.

PanelChair · 16/06/2018 22:45

I confess I'm baffled. Had it been me on the panel I'd have found the letter pretty persuasive (although, of course, I'm looking at it now in isolation and haven't seen the school's case not to admit, and I don't know how strong the appeals that succeeded were). I've also discussed appeals on here which have succeeded on flimsier evidence and arguments than that (although again that may say something about the weakness of the school's case).

OP should wait for the decision letter but then seek legal advice from someone specialising in admission appeals (not a generalist high street solicitor) and pursue any and all options open to her, to get this looked at again.

PatriciaHolm · 16/06/2018 22:36

I will happily take a look too.

NotQuiteSoOnEdge · 16/06/2018 22:12

Thank you. I'll send it now.

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PanelChair · 16/06/2018 22:09

No need to apologise. I normally say no to DMs but I'm so puzzled by what's happened here that I'd be happy to look at the psychiatrist's letter.

NotQuiteSoOnEdge · 16/06/2018 20:41

and yes, he has a place, but at a school where, and I quote the SENCO, "I can see why you'd be worried about sending him here"...

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NotQuiteSoOnEdge · 16/06/2018 20:16

Thank you so much.

I haven't had a letter setting out their reasons yet, only a verbal No over the phone from the panel clerk. I will PM copies when it gets here. As for the psychiatrist's letter, I thought it was so strong it was practically irrefutable, but maybe I misunderstood its strength. Would anyone have a look at it?

Sorry I went AWOL. I'm so devastated I basically shut down for 24 hours.

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PatriciaHolm · 16/06/2018 14:23

As with the others, I'm afraid I don't remember your previous thread, but I can see why yo7 are extremely disappointed. I am also happy to look at the refusal letter if you wish - PM me if you would rather keep it off here. It should clearly state how the panel deliberated and why they decided against you.

PanelChair · 16/06/2018 09:25

On these threads, we generally say that there’s no point getting lawyers involved. However, here, it does seem odd that what sounds like a very strong letter from the psychiatrist was not heeded. You should certainly examine all the options mentioned here and take legal advice. Please tell us more, too, about the wording of the outcome letter.

prh47bridge · 16/06/2018 08:58

If there was something wrong with the way the hearing was conducted or there is evidence that they confused you with someone else it may be possible to get another hearing with a fresh panel. However, as PanelChair says, the ESFA and the LGO won't overturn the decision just because they disagree. There has to be something wrong with the way the panel arrived at the decision.

It is possible to go to judicial review. The courts take a wider view and will overturn appeal panel decisions if they are unreasonable. However, that is expensive and risky so you would need to take proper legal advice before going down that route.

As per my previous post, it will help if you can tell us the panel's reasons.