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Am absolutely livid.......subject choice denied

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HopeNotFear · 11/05/2018 11:19

DD going into 3rd year, thinking about a career in architecture so one of her choices for starting 3rd year was Graphics. She’s just been told this morning by her year head that the class is over subscribed and as she has also chosen Art, and they are similar she cannot do Graphics, she needs to choose History or Business Studies.

I am livid, DP is waiting for a call back from the year head to discuss but no way are we accepting this.

Bit of background, she works hard & is doing really well in all subjects, she received awards last year in Design Engineering Technology & represented school in a DET competition. She has spoken to her DET teacher and he had no idea she didn’t make the cut.

I realise if the school don’t have the places for all, some students will miss out but surely it should be based on effort / performance and not what other subject choices they have made. Had we known this, she would have picked something else other than art.

Anyone had experience of similar and how did you deal with it, what was the outcome?

Thanks.

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MissMilo · 11/05/2018 20:04

@gryffen
Just wanted to pick up your misinformation about History. Your assertion that
^^History won't do anything for her as it's ww2, Mary qos and wars of independence in standard year along with a few others
Is completely wrong.
At National level pupils must complete a Scottish unit, a British unit and a European and world unit. You cannot do two Scottish topics!

LIZS · 11/05/2018 19:22

What is Modern Studies?

TeaBelle · 11/05/2018 18:21

Do you honestly think that a child who may achieve a lower grade than your dd should be booted out of the class in her favour? That's awful. What if they enjoy it and that's the bottom line.

searchforshinyhair · 11/05/2018 18:18

I had exactly the same issue with media studies when I was at school, turns out it was not at all relevant for an actual job in media and I ended up changing my mind lots of times about what I wanted to do after that. You need to think carefully about what A levels you take but you absolutely do not need to think carefully about GCSE's. Colleges will not discriminate on letting students in based on their GCSE choices. Please don't sweat it. But do think carefully about A levels if she still wants to do architecture then

TheDishRanAwayWithTheSpoon · 11/05/2018 18:12

You definitely need art for architecture not graphics, you might be Okay with graphics but most, particularly the better unis, want art. The only ones of my friends who got into architecture all did art.

Rudi44 · 11/05/2018 18:07

I definitely agree art, I did an art based degree and I think keep your choices as broad as possible at this stage. Art can include graphics, sculpture, mixed media photography etc and graphics is graphics alone. I think picking art and graphics are narrowing her future options down too soon.

Allthebestnamesareused · 11/05/2018 16:04

My son is at a super selective that tends to "breed" many architects - the school does not even offer graphics!

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 11/05/2018 13:13

I’ve taught Art and Dt for years ( like millions of years!).

Art is what they want for architecture not Graphics.

AugustRose · 11/05/2018 13:07

I'm glad she has been given the place. DS1 (now 21) had this happen when 3 of his 4 chosen option where removed at the last minute due to 'lack of interest', they were subjects he really wanted to do and it changed his future plans. It also affected the last years of secondary school to a poor experience as he had little interest in his other options.

squeaver · 11/05/2018 12:50

Cross-post, sorry. But still good to do some research if her heart is set on architecture. And she definitely should do art

ivenoideawhatimdoing · 11/05/2018 12:49

When I was at high school I wanted to do drama but the school said I couldn’t.

My dad had died the term before and I hadn’t been back to school long so this really knocked my confidence. My mum complained and it turned out it was because they wanted me to do a language instead as I would get a good grade in a modular subject thus looking better for the school.

Could it be something similar?

squeaver · 11/05/2018 12:49

Glasgow School of Art asks for English and Maths or Physics and preferably art at Higher.

Edinburgh requires art at either Nat5 or Higher.

Maybe do some research before you go in all guns blazing to the school??

HopeNotFear · 11/05/2018 12:46

Thanks for all the advice, obviously I wasn’t going to call school all guns blazing - that’s what this forum is for Grin.

Anyway, didn’t get to speak to her year head, but he just called DD into his office and told her a space has been made in the graphics class for her, so all good.

DD has also chosen Physics, Chemistry, Modern Studies as well as taking the mandatory subjects of English, Maths and Italian, so she still has a good subject choice if she decides after 2 years a career as an architect is not for her.

Lastly, if art & graphics are in different columns, then you have the choice to pick both of them if you want, and the school should not penalise a student by picking one over the other. Just to make it clear, my gripe with the school was how they chose the students for the graphics class, as it doesn’t appear to have been based on merit.

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bengalcat · 11/05/2018 12:35

Suggest as some other posters have indicated looking at universities ( if that's her goal ) that offer architecture and look at the requirements at A level

LIZS · 11/05/2018 12:32

Many schools don't offer graphics . Architecture students need to demonstrate skills other than multiple art courses, business might be useful as would history especially if there are cultural options. She can still create an appropriate portfolio.

gryffen · 11/05/2018 12:30

Hi lass, Scotland myself so I know where your coming from.

Have you a local college nearby with a prospectus for what she wants to study, find out from them what's required and then if graphics is needed then hammer it to them with the evidence.

History won't do anything for her as it's ww2, Mary qos and wars of independence in standard year along with a few others.

Art is a defo must but also maybe speak to a local art group or opt in for a course at college via an ILA?

A good few of those places will open up on graphics due to drop outs so you can ask for a cull of students who just want to take it for the sake of it.

Good luck

pigmcpigface · 11/05/2018 12:25

Don't assume that two art subjects will stand her in better stead for an architecture course - that's unlikely to be the case. Subjects that lead to good essay-writing skills will be every bit as important (a spatial discipline, like geography, may be helpful). Good maths/physics are worth having too.

ShowMeTheElf · 11/05/2018 12:21

The school is right on this one OP.
Art and science good for Architecture. More than one 'arty' subject not so good. A breadth of subjects is better and she'll need the Art over the Graphics.

GinIsIn · 11/05/2018 12:16

I think you’ve been misinformed - art and maths are a must. Graphics isn’t.

MistyMeena · 11/05/2018 12:14

It is frustrating but there are options, as a last resort could she study graphics as a private candidate and take the exam at either her school, or another exam centre? This is what HE kids do but I know art can be a tricky subject because of the coursework.

xyzandabc · 11/05/2018 12:11

Sorry, graphics is not a must to be an architect. Many schools don't even offer it. Art however is offered by all schools and is what would be expected from a student applying to study architecture.

I do think that doing both art and graphics is a very narrow subject area and she may well be better off doing one of them along with something different, to keep her options open when choosing further study and career paths.

Starting off a discussion with the school being 'livid' and 'no way are we accepting this', isn't really a great way to get the outcome you are hoping for.

Also do stop, calm down and actually listen to what they have to say. They have years of experience in student subject choices and how that affects their later study/career options. They may have some valid points that you haven't thought of yet.

Keel · 11/05/2018 12:10

History together with art are better subjects for studying architecture than graphics. As pps said not all school cover graphics.

nellly · 11/05/2018 12:07

My brother is an architect and didn't do graphics, he did art maths and history!
And yabu to be livid. Subject choices are surely within what can be accommodated? Not everyone will get their first choice and not all schools offer the same

MyKingdomForBrie · 11/05/2018 12:04

Agree with PP, check your research on key subjects for her chosen career path.

squeaver · 11/05/2018 11:59

Could she do Graphics in a year when she's in 5th or 6th year?

Also agree re architecture and art. I can't imagine anyone getting a place on an architecture course without art.

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