S*** I have our appeal date..

Oh Giles I'm sorry to hear that. We weren't suited and booted with files and stuff so don't go blaming yourself for not looking the part.
Our next move would have been to try and get it named on an EHCP. We're still need the EHCP anyway. Is that an option for you?

So sorry Giles. We are still waiting for our appeal date but friends have advised us that if we've not got a place by xmas to re-apply immediately in the New Year as the schools' waiting lists will start again from scratch then and most people will stay with where they started in September. Don't know if that's an option for you? Best of luck anyway with whatever happens.

Gileswithachainsaw is the 12+ an option?

Ah you are too lovely! Let's hope that they do open an extra classroom for them all! Hope the wait isn't too long and agonising.

Giles hope I'm not too late to think winning thoughts for you and lucie well done :)

Good news we had this with our daughter went in with some prepared questions it's not easy to judge the room but found being relaxed and decisive with your answers helps put the point across and always bring it back to the best for the child even lighten the mood a little if you can at the end of the day your presenting yourself as well as your offspring it helps if you come across as likable people this approach got our daughter into an over subscribed school in good area a friend who I went to school with went in suited and booted had provided spread sheets of academic success even a report on how many times the police had been called to the catchment school they wanted to his kid into ..he didn't get in sometimes you can push to far

Hi Just an update, We had our appeal last week and have received the letter yesterday to inform us we have WON. So happy.

All i can say is that we played heavily on the fact that we did not choose the school we were offered and that the travel route was unsafe for an 11 year old to do on their own.

We also showed them the crime statistics for that area from the police database. It was quite a high crime area.

We also explained in detail why we chose the school and how it fit our child in not just educational needs but sports, music and other interests that were not offered at the school he was allocated.

We talked about the wording the head teacher had used on the statement. He said 'ideally' he would like his classes to be a certain size. I said that by using the 'ideally' it suggested that he could take more children.

We made it clear that we thought he had been a victim of the criteria as we were a cross border applicant, missed out on 1st choice school due to distance (feeder school not part of criteria) and missed out on other 2 schools (different council who do accept feeder school) as we did not attend a feeder school. Leaving our child to be criteria 5/6 for each school applied for.

We did use a document that we had regarding to money being paid to the council for the expansion of the school but i do not know what weight this held but it may just have cast a bit of doubt that helped to swing the decision in our favor.

We held ourselves well and were polite but firm and made sure we got all of our information over to them. I believe this went in our favor as the panel wont take kindly to any rude or aggressive behavior.

I hope some of this will help you in your appeal.

i have information that the council have been paid a substantial amount from a builder for the expansion of that specific school due to new houses that have already been built, yet no expansion of the school has happened

Ah - I suspect what you are referring to is the Community infrastructure levy, which is essentially a tax imposed on new builds/expanded buildings which is payable to the local authority in order to develop the local community to support the new build.

In many cases this ends up being touted (often by the developers themselves!) as a "contribution to expand X school" - but there is no requirement for LAs to spend it on that, or indeed on any specific school, just on infrastructure needed to support the local area - and LAs can decide what that means.

So in reality, the builders won't have given X amount specifically, and only for, expanding this school - it's a general contribution into a council pot. Which doesn't need to be spent on schooling at all if the council decide there is something else to spend money on...

(Also if the school in question is an academy, it's capital investment doesn't come from the LA anyway....)

That is 21 years ago. A lot has changed since then. I think you would struggle to convince the appeal panel that something that long ago was relevant to the case.

Would it be unreasonable to ask for admissions and capacity data going back to 1997? Our appeal school took an entire extra class then and their case is based on the school not being able to admit over PAN due to facilities.

lucie I don't know which particular bit swung it for us but we were very focused on why the school we wanted was right in the terms prh mentioned. At the appeal we were able to talk about why the allocated school wasn't right in a number of ways. My dc has SEN so it was very specific.

Distance rarely wins appeals unless it is really unreasonable or the child has issues that mean they can't be expected to manage the journey. It does no harm to mention it but don't spend too much time on it as it isn't your strongest point.

Yes, the fact they went over PAN by 6 last year and have already gone over for this year does help. It suggests they can accommodate a few more pupils without undue difficulty.

I think you need to dig into the funding a little more. What has the council done with the money? If it is available or will shortly be available to the school it is worth bringing it up as a question during the hearing - something like, "You say you have no funding to expand but I understand the council is about to release £x for this very purpose. Can you clarify please". It isn't a huge direct help as, even if the money is available, any new buildings or alterations will take time. But it could undermine the school's case a little.

prh47bridge Thank you for your comments.
I do have more in way of the appeal in terms of why my son should be given a place over other children appealing and it is as you have stated around them offering what the other school does not.
I was just hoping that distance to the offered school would help.

In your opinion is the fact that they already have 10 classes and 246 children in current y7 (PAN 240) and they have already allowed an additional 2 for this years y7 intake any help to me. They say they cant take anymore yet they took 6 over the PAN last year.
The 2 additional in this y7 intake were 1 looked after child and 1 exceptional circumstances.
They already have to make 10 classes to accommodate the 2 extra children.

Also they say they have no funding to expand school yet i have information that the council have been paid a substantial amount from a builder for the expansion of that specific school due to new houses that have already been built, yet no expansion of the school has happened.

Thanks

If the school is over 3 miles away by the shortest walking route the LA must provide free transport. You may think the journey is unacceptable but you are unlikely to persuade the appeal panel unless the journey is over 75 minutes each way using whatever form of transport the LA provides.

Even if you convince the panel that they have space for more children that is unlikely to be enough to win your appeal. Unless you convince them that there is enough space for all the appellants the panel will look at the strength of the cases to decide who to admit. If what you have posted is your entire case it is very weak.

You need to show that your child will be disadvantaged if they are not admitted to your preferred school. This will be around things the appeal school offers that are not available at the allocated school and which are particularly relevant to your child. For example, if your child is good at sports and the appeal school provides more sporting activities than the allocated school that is worth bringing up.

GrockleBocs what did you win your appeal on?
I have an appeal next week and am hoping to get in due to the fact they are already over their PAN for this year and were for last year and also they are over their net capacity for the lower school but under for the whole school so do have space to accommodate more children.
Also the school they have offered is over the statutory walking distance and it is a total walking time of 25 mins plus 2 x buses which i think is unacceptable for a child of 11.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Ask school re vacancies in each year group.

If you mean during the hearing, you should use your questions to highlight any weaknesses in their case.

If you mean to prepare for the hearing, you need to know if the school has been over PAN before. It is also worth finding out the calculated capacity figures if they have them. They may not but, if they do, that will give a range (e.g. 1890 - 2100). The lower figure will be 10% below the higher figure. If they have set their official net capacity towards the bottom of the range that will help you.