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Anyone else’s dc beginning to really struggle with the demands of gcse prep?

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IllBeAtTheBarIfYouNeedMe · 29/03/2018 09:39

Just that really. It’s the home stretch and dd is so close to actually breaking from the demands on her. Last night she was wondering around the house dazed and teary eyed just waiting for her db’s just to breathe in her direction so she can jump down their throats. She’s exhausted.

Her school has had her at school from 7:30am until 5:10pm mon-fri and 9-3 on saturdays since September. They want her in over the easter holidays too according to the schedule I’ve received. She’s revising at home all evening and at weekends so it just seems to be completely non stop for her at the moment.

She’s predicted to do well and I really don’t want her to fail because she just overwhelmed by it all and/or burnt out.

I’ve booked her a trip with a few of her friends to go and see another friend of theirs who lives by the coast for a few day this weekend so I’m hoping that it will give her a breather and she’ll come back more relaxed and ready for the last bit before GCSEs.

Or am I just being ridiculous? How is everyone else helping their teens?

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AlexanderHamilton · 29/03/2018 20:08

I would not be happy with those hours. DD occasionally goes in for an early morning session & she will occasionally miss dance for the odd after school revision session (she dances from 4-6 every evening plus Saturday mornings) but I would be refusing to allow her to attend that late.

She is stressed but we are trying to keep a balance.

Verbena37 · 29/03/2018 20:03

What school can honestly say they support reducing mental health difficulties in their school if they make the kids study for those hours?

Leeds2 · 29/03/2018 19:40

I actually can't believe a school expects DC to attend lessons from 7:30 to 5:30. That is completely over the top and, imo, likely to do more harm than good.

GeorgeHerbert · 29/03/2018 19:35

Your poor dd. i think a little bit of time off is necessary in the pressure of GCSE's. In fact studies have shown that the brain NEEDS some 'down time' to process learning. Plus a stressed child is not going to do well.

My ds is also a 'worker' and has been revising since the beginning of Y 11. he has very high expectations.

I am insisting that he takes one day of in each of the school holiday weeks to do something nice with me. He can revise later in the afternoon, evening, but a bit of time out, a nice lunch will hopefully relieve the pressure. We have also found some stiff on Netflix to watch together and spend an hour each late afternoon chilling.

Lastly, I'm just checking over his plan from time to time to reassure him he has got it all covered.

Verbena37 · 29/03/2018 18:40

invisibleunicorn can I ask, was your studying time in the Uk?
Incidentally, I don’t think those hours are ‘just what it takes’.
The majority of pupils do not study and revise for that much time out of school Andrea still do extremely well.

Plus, ‘just reading and rewriting notes’ is absolutely what is needed for some students. We all have different methods of revising.

Also remember that whilst straight level 9’s might be lovely, not everybody is that motivated to strive for that...even if they academically could. Life is all about balance.

Sadik · 29/03/2018 18:04

"That's just what it takes in terms of hours and commitment, to do well.
Those school hours are long, but it's just what it takes. Ditto revising in the holidays. It's just what it takes."
If you have a not-particularly-bright child that you're trying to shove blindly down the academic route, perhaps?

Otherwise clearly not, since large numbers of children get excellent GCSE results without anywhere near that level of effort. A decent amount of study and revision, yes, but not to that extreme.

Teaonthelawn · 29/03/2018 16:52

OP - I think you are doing exactly the right thing in organising a weekend away. I would say school are fixed on improving grades (or in a panic about grades) - allow her to revise at home rather than school as much as you can/she wants to. Encourage her to relax, eat well and see her friends.
If you need to revise for hours from as early as year 10 (as suggested) you will burn out. Also if you need to work that hard to keep up/ achieve high grades at GCSE then you will struggle at A level.

KickBishopBrennanUpTheArse · 29/03/2018 15:48

A swimmer saying "I could have beaten the record but I didn't want to put the hours in during training"?

Um yes. That happens to almost seven billion of us every day.

I'm off running tonight with a running club. If I go eyeballs out as fast as I can I might finish tonight's route first. But I won't because I'll be chatting to my friends and also I couldn't give two shiny shits how fast I run as long as I keep up. It's not the Olympics.

And to prove your other point wrong I worked my arse off throughout GCSE and A levels. I ended up with crippling migraines and lay in the dark with my mum reading revision notes to me the night before my a level exams. It's done me no good and I'm not as successful in my career as my brother who barely opened a book.

InvisibleUnicorn · 29/03/2018 15:10

To do the best a person can I think is absolutely important.

I have met very few people who get or will get A*s and 9s across the board without trying. In fact, even those students who find it easy tend to still spend hours studying around the subject, for fun/interest.

I also haven't ever met an adult who studied hard, achieved their expectations (whatever those were, all 9s or a few 5s equivalent) and regrets working so hard at school and wishes they spent more time watching tv instead.

What I do meet all the time though are those people who could do better and choose or did choose not to do, and that makes me very sad. It's a disservice to themselves and not a characteristic I value as a parent.

I honestly don't think the hours the OP says are majorly excessive. I did more than that outside of school during exams.

The only difference seems to be doing them in school rather than outside, and if the school had a history of students underperforming, then it's understandable that the school want to change things, as leaving them to do it themselves clearly hasn't worked! I would hope it's a staged process though as A level students do need more self motivation. I also hope it's teaching them smart ways to revise.

It's massively important to take a weekend day off, some evenings, regular breaks, treats, etc. Also exercise and eating properly.

But doing the best a student can is really important. Why is it okay to just coast a bit in academic work? Does the same apply elsewhere?? A horse rider saying "oh, I could have got a clear round but it wasn't worth the extra effort"? A swimmer saying "I could have beaten the record but I didn't want to put the hours in during training"? etc etc.

Teaonthelawn · 29/03/2018 14:48

I am sorry but '6 hours work a day minimum' in the Easter holidays during year 10 - is not 'what it takes' to do well at GCSE.

LadyPeterWimsey · 29/03/2018 14:23

I'm astounded that schools and parents think that this is what it takes. My DC doing GCSEs has normal school hours, and had no issues in the mocks, even with very little revision.

Surely there is something wrong if the material can't be covered during the normal school day, and the children can't be trusted to revise properly at home.

It all sounds utterly miserable, for everyone. Sad

InvisibleUnicorn · 29/03/2018 14:14

That's just what it takes in terms of hours and commitment, to do well.

Those school hours are long, but it's just what it takes. Ditto revising in the holidays. It's just what it takes.

I would check teens are studying "smart" rather than just blindly reading and rewriting notes. But this level of commitment is just what it is.

FWIW, my teen is working 6 hours a day minimum through the holidays and she isn't even taking exams this year.

Bekabeech · 29/03/2018 14:13

My DCs very high achieving school is nothing like this. There are optional after school sessions if you want them, but I don't think any in the Easter vacation.
And lots of sessions on stress reduction and mental health.

Mellifera · 29/03/2018 12:23

A year ago my son did GCSEs and got really stressed around Easter.

School put a lot of pressure on him and he worked similar hours on his revision.

I took him away to the seaside for 3 days, without any books and revision notes. We spent many hours walking along the coast path and had conversations about expectations, pressure, resilience etc.

It really helped him to take a step back. He did really well in his GCSEs.

Sometimes parents need to step in if the school tries to push up their results on the league tables without a thought about students’ wellbeing.

Verbena37 · 29/03/2018 12:14

op whether or not the academy says that, I’ve just read this briefing paper researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN07148/SN07148.pdf
And nowhere, that I can see, mentions actually studying during longer set days; only schools with longer hours providing extra curricular activities.

Does the school factor in another snack break before 17:10?
Or breakfast etc?

IllBeAtTheBarIfYouNeedMe · 29/03/2018 12:10

Lol no. She’s decided that she wants out from there and wants to go to the Channel Islands to do sixth form. I think that’s why she’s going along with so much as she really doesn’t want to have to stay there

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BlueBelle123 · 29/03/2018 11:41

I hope she's not staying on for 6th form, I'd imagine you wouldn't see her for 2 years.

IllBeAtTheBarIfYouNeedMe · 29/03/2018 11:30

Unfortunately I seem to be the only one who has raised concerns. I was told that there were other schools in the borough if I disapproved of the (completely in-consultated) changes. Because moving your dc between year 10 and 11 is exactly what every parent wants to do.

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KickBishopBrennanUpTheArse · 29/03/2018 11:30

Illbe that's crazy Shock

I wouldn't be surprised if a good number were off sick with those demands (pupils and teachers)

Reading these threads is making me more relaxed about dds approach. She's fairly chilled. Working hard at school but bare minimum at home. She's likely to get a spread of grades 5-8 with a fighting chance of a 9 in maths on a good day. She missed it by 5 marks in her most recent mock.

She's quite bright and could probably manage 7 and above for everything if she worked all hours but she doesn't see the point and I'm inclined to agree with her.

Theimpossiblegirl · 29/03/2018 11:25

The pressure of increased course content, less/no coursework and performance related pay is really being passed on to our children now. Being bright and doing a reasonable amount of revision is no longer enough to do well.

Dd is at school right through the Easter hols apart from the bank holidays and weekends. She's then too tired to do more at home but she knows it's a means to an end and will be over soon. I'm planning a lot of treats over the summer.

BlueBelle123 · 29/03/2018 11:22

Has there been no parent backlash at this change of regime or was in voted in by the parents. I saw something recently on the telly about long working hours did not equate to higher productivity infact the opposite, I would imagine absenteeism has rocketed!

IllBeAtTheBarIfYouNeedMe · 29/03/2018 11:16

I should also clarify that the days were they haven’t extended the school times, the older kids have to show their revision schedules to the gate staff to be allowed to leave earlier.

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IllBeAtTheBarIfYouNeedMe · 29/03/2018 11:12

It is a mainstream state secondary. My thought was that maybe they were behind on the content but the change to the longer school days from year 10 are apparently permanent. They have staff on the gate that physically stop the older years leaving on those three longer days.

The morning sessions (7:30 until school normal start of 8:20) are optional. Obviously at the weekends and in holidays they can’t make them go to school. But the weekday afternoon sessions, they make it impossible for anyone to leave.

I’ve tried to be led by my dd as in how much she wants to do. So far she has opted in to the early mornings and most of the weekends/holidays. But she does need a taper now.

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BlueBelle123 · 29/03/2018 11:07

Or its an academy trying to make a name for itself, I'm shocked at their tactics to be honest, zero concern for the poor DC!

Verbena37 · 29/03/2018 11:01

The school cannot surely ethically or legally make them study for 10 hr days, plus weekends?

If it’s a mainstream secondary, I’m thinking that perhaps they’re way behind on finishing course content.

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