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Distance criteria and "open school gates"

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Shattered04 · 13/03/2018 13:43

We missed out by a tiny distance on our first choice school. The criteria is described as follows:

"Distances are calculated in a straight line from the address you provide to the nearest school gate."

Is there any room for error with this method? Will the LA show me which gate they used?

"address" also seems vague - is it the centre of our house, or the centre of our plot of land, or the closest point of our plot of land, or the middle of the part on the road, or, or.. Confused

I'm fairly sure I'm not going to find anything by going down this route, but I don't want to leave any stone unturned just in case for my own peace of mind. We have plenty of (hopefully) good evidence for an appeal as mentioned on other threads.

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Shattered04 · 14/03/2018 11:59

It's definitely a tricky one. Obviously there is no way for me to know if there are many people who might be affected by this as I don't know who applied (in my general direction, given it is that particular gate - am I right in thinking this?) slightly further out. I'd hope, given the distance is about 70m or so, not many. And the chances of them appealing lower again.

I may go draw some circles and lines and have a think.

It's simply because they say "open gate available to pupils" and there is a second gate that could possibly be used that I'm thinking there might be some wriggle room.

If there were disabled spaces behind that gate that were available for sixth form drivers with mobility issues, would that count as "pupils"? It's really pedantic, but..

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Shattered04 · 14/03/2018 11:38

Thank you tiggy - that's all food for thought. I have to see if I can find out if any pupils, whether in a car or not, are permitted to use that gate. I did some measurements using various mapping tools to our house, and the difference comes out with us 0.05 miles closer. We missed out on a space by 0.04 miles. The pedestrian gate measurement also corresponded exactly with the measurement given by the LA. So you can see why I'm interested in this!

Alas, we do not have a mansion in acres of land, it's a bog standard house in suburbia. Probably not many metres to play with there, unless they took it from the back of the plot of land versus the front which clearly they don't!

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Shattered04 · 14/03/2018 11:07

Wow, they'd really recalculate everything and potentially withdraw offers? Or would it just mean if through some miracle it did work out in our favour that she would be admitted?

Apparently they define their "gate" term elsewhere on their site, and they sent me a link. It is this:

"We use straight line distance for admission purposes. This is the distance from your child’s Normal Home Address, as set out by Ordnance Survey, to the nearest open school gate available for pupils to use. We use a computerised system to measure straight line distance.

The point we measure to at your child’s address is determined by the Ordnance Survey Address Base which is an Ordnance Survey data product that provides a National Grid coordinate and a unique reference for each postal address in Great Britain that is on the Royal Mail’s Post Office Address File."

However, despite me asking, they didn't tell me which gate they would have used. I'm trying to decide whether to be "that parent" and ask again, or just accept the chances of success down this particular route are close to zero!

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admission · 13/03/2018 21:43

They will probably say the school gate to reach the main entrance but of course that will probably not be the one that pupils use to access the school.
It is worth following up but as another poster has said, it means lots of people could have the wrong distances. If the panel accept your argument then they would have to adjourn until all the distances are recalculated which may work in your favour or against your favour.
Normally where this can lead to successful appeals it is where the distance is measured by shortest walking route not straight line distance because there is far more potential for there to be mistakes made.

Shattered04 · 13/03/2018 14:26

Hmm, I've just realised it's not even "open" school gate, that's me misreading. I'm definitely going to ask them which gate they used.

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Shattered04 · 13/03/2018 14:21

There's a couple of gates on the school property so I think it could be worth looking into. The distance is 64m, so it's reasonably high given the small distances concerned, but I guess you never know.

I'm assuming "open school gate" would mean pedestrian access. Because we save over 64m by looking at the vehicle gate.. then again, if they don't actually specify?

However, then everyone else roughly in our area would be moved slightly closer in proportionally too - although obviously not in all directions.

Talk about splitting hairs!

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prh47bridge · 13/03/2018 13:52

If they identify your house and the nearest school gate correctly the distance will be correct. They could get the wrong house or the wrong gate.

They should be more precise about where on your property they measure from. If you missed out by a few metres it might be worth pursuing this but if it was more than that I would forget it and concentrate on your other points.

ReinettePompadour · 13/03/2018 13:49

My LEA uses your actual front door (not a porch door, the main original front door of the building) to the main school pedestrian entrance/gate which is usually considered to be the front where the main office is located.

The information is on their website but its usually in with loads of other stuff so will take some reading unless they have included it in the FAQ bit.