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Boarding for sixth form?

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youareloved · 11/02/2018 02:38

My DD has expressed an interest to go to boarding school for sixth form, Im totally new to boarding in general so advice would be appreciated! DD went to a state primary, then private secondary for 2 years, we then moved and we have started home educating her for GCSE years. She loved the structure of school and being around people, so i think she might enjoy boarding, but it's also a big change from what she's doing right now, might be a helpful stepping stone to university though?

DD has researched schools, and liked Pangbourne College, Ackworth, Gordonstoun, Lathallan, Downside, and Kings Canterbury.

DD isn't extremely sporty as her school didn't offer anything other than basic PE once a week, but is up to try anything. Likes drama and music more than sport definitely! DD is predicated As so far at GCSE (she does an online HE program), but I'm not sure how accurate that is because it's not based on exam-situation tests?

Does anyone have experience with any of these school? Or can recommend others? Or any experience with boarding for sixth form in general, is it hard to break into friendship groups? also does anyone know whether schools would be opposed to accepting a homeschooled child?? or maybe it's too much of a change for DD (I know that's a very personal call though!) and I might be better going for a day school.

Thank you so much!! This is all very new to me, and any advice is really helpful! :)

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user1469682920 · 11/02/2018 19:26

Just to confirm you can choose to do a language from beginner level for the IB (usually Italian). In fact DD and her friends wished they'd picked that option as would have been a lot easier than standard level Spanish.
Oh and we love Pangbourne - and just like Gordounston's reputation is probably outdated and doesn't reflect the current school, then the same is so for Pangbourne. It is not a military academy and definitely does not have a military ethos. Yes they keep the uniform and occasional sunday parades but that's is where it ends. The pastoral care is outstanding and has a sense of belonging and family atmosphere of a small school where everyone knows everyone. They also have a sizable intake of girls in sixth form. Where it might not suit for you is it is mainly weekly boarding or day, There are a small number of full boarders, and probably more in sixth form than lower down the school, and of course the distance !!

happygardening · 11/02/2018 19:12

Pangbourne is a hell of a way from you. Its got a military ethos is that something that appeals to your DD? I personally can't think of any thing worse except maybe an RC boarding school. You will obviously need full boarding do interrogate the admissions dept check very carefully the actual number of full boarders, schools lie are notoriously economical with the truth when it comes to actual numbers of full boarders. Most schools have had to offer weekly boarding as this is what UK parents want, only a handful are primarily full boarding usually the very big names often boys schools. It can be very hard to be a full boarder in a school where the majority go home at the weekends. Amongst our friends with DC's at boarding schools once they've stopped moaning about the fees their second commonest complaint is that they thought or were lead to believe that X was full boarding only to discover its mainly weekly boarding with a small number of full boarders, they feel they are not getting what they are paying for. A school which offers a mix of weekly, full and day will have totally different ethos/feel to a school which is basically full boarding only school with maybe a handful of day pupils.

youareloved · 11/02/2018 18:08

DH says he liked Gordonstoun because it's similar to Rannoch🙄 Will probably end up visiting, just to get a feel for it. Really depends on what DD thinks as she's the one going! It'll be better to get a feel for what the school is really like when we go!

DD, DH and I have just had a chat and have narrowed it down to Gordonstoun, Lathallan, Ackworth, Pangbourne, Strathallan, St Leonard's, and Dollar. Will research further this week and hopefully pick 4 to visit!

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BubblesBuddy · 11/02/2018 17:58

If she isn’t sporty you don’t have to worry about matches! There should be other visiting opportunities though.

youareloved · 11/02/2018 17:56

Hmm only positive on gordonstoun is the proximity, but as they don't offer weekly boarding I'd only see DD more at concerts, matches etc. and I'm don't think that's worth it for bad pastoral care and teaching.

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BubblesBuddy · 11/02/2018 17:56

Yes I know happygardening - it was a tongue in cheek response! Not to be taken seriously.

I have no problem with anyone being happy at Uppingham. My DD was shown a room in the new girls’ house that looked straight into another girls’ room and was dark and dismal. It felt outdated in comparison to other schools we looked at. Parents might like quaint old boarding houses but sometimes girls are a bit more discerning. We looked at a lot of other schools to compare and no other school separated out new girls. Horses for courses though. We also heard a lot of the boys had unflattering nicknames for the girls, from a girl we knew there. That was not a culture we were looking for either. Another child we knew there ran away because he was bullied. I know it’s improved since then, but it needed to.

DullAndOld · 11/02/2018 16:58

frankly anything I have heard about Gordonstoun is horrible.

happygardening · 11/02/2018 16:55

"doesn't Gordonstoun do cold showers and x country running before breakfast?"
Long gone but from what a few friends have experienced not great pastoral care/teaching etc.

happygardening · 11/02/2018 16:49

Bubbles it’s not really surprising you didn’t get any of that at your girls school as I’m sure you are aware it’s the famous boys schools that have long histories that have medieval windows and large assets/bank balances to bank roll Olympic facilities and boarding houses that increasingly look more like hotels.
They can also have a brilliant ethos that works for you and your DS but it’s easy to be so blinded by the first that you can’t easily see what their ethos actually is.
“academically aspirational”
This is my definition of the term. Many schools that would a few years ago have been considered virtually non selective, moderate to severe SEND asisde, are now increasingly becoming selective in an attempt to improve their results. The bottom line is that most parents are paying for better results than they believe that their DC would have achieved at the local state school. The dilemma is where does Tim nice but dim go to school as increasingly there are less decent options available to him. We have a school local to us that often mentioned on here, 5 years ago a place was virtually guaranteed now it’s not, the entrance exam has become increasingly difficult and colleagues worry that they DC won’t gte it despite tutoring.

petrova · 11/02/2018 15:42

I see the conversation has moved on to Scottish boarding schools , which seems the best option , considering where you live!
Can I just defend Uppingham - the new girls are not put in a crappy building , they are in a lovely old building . They are also not sidelined . I speak as a current parent , not someone who has looked at the school and decided not to send their child there.
There was a documentary about Gordonstoun on tv a couple of years ago - think it has changed since the days of cold showers etc

DullAndOld · 11/02/2018 15:28

yes it might well be an outdated perception..:)

youareloved · 11/02/2018 15:27

St Leonard's sounds like a good option then, thank you! Ill put it on my list!

I haven't heard that about gordonstoun, at least recently lol, DD knows some girls who board there, so I'm sure she'd have picked that up!

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DullAndOld · 11/02/2018 15:17

doesn't Gordonstoun do cold showers and x country running before breakfast?
Is it really a realistic environment for a home schooled child to move into?

sendsummer · 11/02/2018 15:17

at least for Italian looking at the website.

sendsummer · 11/02/2018 15:15

They just do the IB. MFLs can be done ab initio.

sendsummer · 11/02/2018 15:14

She could even join earlier for at least part of the preIB year that international students do to help the transition.

youareloved · 11/02/2018 15:13

I totally forgot that St. Leonard's boards! I have a few friends that teach there, I'll have a look and ask them about it. DD has friends in St. Andrews so might like it. Don't they do the IB? Not sure about the MFL aspect as DD doesn't take a language, so maybe not an option due to that. I'll research it, I'm not sure if standard level requires prior knowledge of the language?

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sendsummer · 11/02/2018 15:09

What about St Leonard's in St Andrews if she is reasonably academic?
Not too far from Glasgow so she could weekly board if she wanted a bit more freedom but it looks as though there is quite a lot going on during the weekends at school, less isolated and outdoorsy than some of the schools mentioned plus an intake for sixth form.

Bonkus · 11/02/2018 15:01

Happygardening - what is an "academically aspirational" school? I've seen a few schools described as such recently.

Thanks

youareloved · 11/02/2018 14:43

I'm not sure about the emphasis on sports/outdoors at gordonstoun, it's just the nearest school to us! DH and I are going to talk today about what is a must have in a school, then consult DD and hopefully find some schools to visit! DH is keen on gordonstoun as he went to Rannoch and loved it, but I'll show him this thread and hopefully he'll see that it might not be right for DD!

I know day schools have taster days, do boarding schools offer faster nights? That might help DD decide whether the commitments would be right for her.

Thanks for the tips on asking questions, I'll ask about how many join at sixth form, and how many are in at weekends as that's important for us!

DD tends to put a lot of pressure on herself academically, but her HE program and tutors also pressure her quite a bit, so I think she could handle it well. But combined with everything else she has to adjust to, could just end up being too much. I'm also going to ask DH about maybe applying to a day school as a back up near him, in case DD decided that she doesn't want to go nearer to the time!

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BubblesBuddy · 11/02/2018 14:30

£35k a year didn’t get any of that at our girls’ boarding school! We got the ethos we wanted though!

happygardening · 11/02/2018 14:27

“Academically selective schools do they pressure, do they pressure the children more into getting good grades?”
Independent schools attract pupils by getting good results, the more academic selective a school is the higher the grades the school and current and prospective parents expect. DS2 went to a super selective I can tell you that most parents expected top grades and expected the school to get top grades for their pupils that’s what people are stumping up considerable sums for. Even fairly selective schools will expect pretty good grades and apply pressure to their pupils to achieve these.
How much pressure a pupil feels under is very much dependent on the individual. I know many boys at my DS’s school did feel under pressure, DS2 in contrast didn’t I am the complete opposite to a helicopter parent but there were moments when even I wished he would have at least felt slightly under pressure and removed his feet from his desk at the very least! Luckily he pulled it out of the bag at the very last minute he did very well maybe he did know what he was he was doing. I suspect if your brightish and banging along at the bottom in a super selective with the school and your parents letting it be known that they are hoping for and expecting a string of top grades it must be pretty demoralising. Equally if you’re average at a not very selective but academically aspirational school (as many now are) and your school and parents are hoping for and expecting good grades that too must be demoralising.
I agree with WellthatsTurnip boarding is exhausting I’ve known some join in the 6th form from day schools and struggle especially in the first term, down time is in short supply, high levels of self study are the norm, they are expected to get involved in school life, usually 6th formers are expected to mentor and support younger pupils as well or have jobs within house. Shes likely to be living with others who’ve had at least three years if not longer to adapt to boarding understand how it works and just need to concentrate on their A level studies.
I’m not trying to put you off IME it’s a positive life changing experience, but I do think you need to think carefully.
You mention Gordonstoun I’m afraid over the years I’ve rarely heard anything positive about it (we know lots of families with children who board all over the UK) of course it suits some but it’s not known for great pastoral care.
Bubbles is tight about waiting lists we’ll certainly down here in the south, there’s usually a deadline for applying for a place, an entrance exam/interview and then a conditional offer of a place or not or you may get offered a waiting list initially as some will get 2-3 offers and then a place will come up but that is after any antrance exam interview not before.
Start looking now, draw up a list of must haves, visit them preferably not on an open day, talk to everyone ask difficult questions and observe both pupils and staff forget what ISI reports websites the good schools guide and dare I say it even mumsnet says about the school go on your gut instinct do you like the people you meet matron house staff teachers cleaners do you feel you DD could be happy here? Dont be swayed by polished highly articulate children telling you that there “school is the best” “has the best facilities” (it probably doesn’t) or the “best teachers”, there’s good bad and indifferent in both sectors that’s life, just listen and watch everyone going about their normal day, what’s going on, how do they respond to your questions, do you like what you see? Try and visit more than once get a feel for the place.
I always think of a father having a guided tour of a very very famous boys boarding school, we were being shown round immacualate boarding house and jaw dropping sports facilities. In a loud voice he said;
“For 35k a year of course they’ve got manuscripts going back to the year dot 100,00 books on three libraries, medieval windows in their chapel and an Olympic seized swimming pool but what I want to know is what’s the ethos underpinning this place.”
That OP is what actually matters.

user1471558241 · 11/02/2018 14:16

Have a look at Lomond School. Much less restrictive with regards to weekend/evening expectations. More a home away from home

BubblesBuddy · 11/02/2018 14:12

scotlandsboardingschools.org.uk lists them all. Lathallen has hardly any boarders. Fettes, Strathallen, Glenalmond, Murchison and a few others have several hundred and I would look at the schools more geared up to boarders. Strathallen may be sporty, as indeed was my DDs boarding in Hertfordshire, but that is not everything a school should be about. Any decent school will know not everyone is sporty but they should encourage fitness, which is reasonable. They should also have plenty of art and drama available. Lots more besides to broaden the education of all the students. It should never just be about sport and rarely is!

Independent learning is often a feature and you should look for good pastoral care and plenty of activities. My DDs were both ultra busy when boarding and that’s a huge advantage in my view.

youareloved · 11/02/2018 13:46

I'll have a look at the schools in Scotland then! Gordonstoun is obviously nearest us why I think is why DD picked it, and Lathallan is relatively near. I've heard that strathallan is very sporty which doesn't really appeal to DD, and most schools that board in Scotland are more day schools than boarding I think. Although I'm not sure!

Also schools in Cumbria might be a possibility, there are definitely more options and it's nearer than Canterbury! I think it's around 4 hours away, which is a long way, but not as far as it could be.

Does anyone know about other schools in Scotland? I've only heard of the more famous ones, and ones near us.

DD enjoys structure, so having a lot of things to do suits her. As long as she can do prep herself, which I think they do?

I'm mostly worried about breaking into friendship groups, she makes friends quickly everywhere, but these girls will have obviously been together for years and know each other really well. None of the schools here go co-ed for sixth form, so I may be better looking further afield just for that. I think gordonstoun has a larger intake at sixth form, Scottish schools tend to not make such a big deal of the last 2 years so maybe less spaces available?

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