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Year 7 Parents Evening - Unavailable slots for core subjects

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User32243535 · 09/02/2018 16:26

Sorry, but this might turn into a bit of a rant.

DC (Y7) attends what is meant to be a well respected grammar school. But at the moment, I am struggling to comprehend how they have developed such a lousy system for arranging parents evening appointments.

DC is our eldest child so we were not acquainted with this system before and didn't see it coming. Basically, we received a report and then according to the report, we were advised (via dc taking a sheet around to their teachers and booking a time slot) to arrange a meeting with the necessary teachers.

DC is a scatter brain and this hasn't helped with making the arrangements but on eventually contacting their teachers for Maths and English. dc was informed that there were no available slots left. Sorry, but Maths and English are core subjects and we care about our dc's education, I am fuming that we are not able to discuss these subjects with the relevant teachers (parents evening is held on just one evening).

DC doesn't have huge difficulties in these areas but reading the report there are one or two areas for improvement and I think it is important to discuss these two subjects in particular.

Anyone else experienced similar? The system of arranging slots on a piece of paper seems outdated from the outset. I e-mailed the head teacher regarding my concerns about dc not securing appointments a few days ago and I haven't received a response and I'm not able to discuss with anyone as the school office is now closed (dc has just informed me of the situation, which I believed would be resolved today.) Quite frankly not impressed with the schools communication either right now in regard to replying to my e-mail. Grrrrh...just so frustrated!

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QueenoftheSilverDollar12 · 09/02/2018 20:54

What's your source for that @Toomanytealights? I know that nowhere near 90% of the kids I teach have a phone. Inner city secondary school.

KeiraTwiceKnightley · 09/02/2018 20:54

Tea lights - many of the children I teach don't have reliable internet at home. Their parents don't pay the bill, or they do but go for the cheapest provider - thus patchy coverage. Their computers are old and slow so can't download complex webpages quickly enough. They often have nice phones but on cheap packages which means they run out of data.

Toomanytealights · 09/02/2018 20:54

Define doing well. Is every non disruptive child making sufficient progress,without one of all sorts of issues? Sorry don't buy disruptive kids having need and everybody else not.

MrsLandingham · 09/02/2018 20:54

It's half term for many next week, so User, if you do email your child's maths and English teachers, don't expect a reply until term restarts. I, for one, have no intention whatsoever of checking my work emails before 7 p.m. a week on Sunday Grin

whitemarble, that's called having a work/life balance

Dermymc · 09/02/2018 20:54

Toomany I have approx 45 students without reliable Internet access at home.

User32243535 · 09/02/2018 20:52

No Kitty, I was looking at it from a purely academic stance; I have absolutely no issue with mental health issues/physical impairment which could affect anyone at anytime. If someone is a capable student then they quite rightly should be supported but if someone has been mentored etc. and can't maintain the expected academic standard...that surely is another issue (for the child's sake as much as anything), sorry if I came across differently on this occasion.

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KittyVonCatsington · 09/02/2018 20:52

I am actually shocked that teachers consider it's reasonable and acceptable not to allow sufficient time to see each of their pupils' parents for just 5mins per YEAR.

This year, I teach a total of 378 students per week in every year group. I have 7 Parents EveningS plus a separate Year 9 options evening per year (plus the numerous open evenings and mornings). Parents Evenings run from 3:30pm to 8:00pm. I have 4 minute slots. You do the Maths but I cannot physically see every parent of every child I teach.
However, it appears that I care a damned sight more about each and everyone of my pupils than some on this thread...

KeiraTwiceKnightley · 09/02/2018 20:51

That was for whitemarble btw.

Toomanytealights · 09/02/2018 20:50

90% of households have the internet or on the go,those without are more likely to be the elderly.

KeiraTwiceKnightley · 09/02/2018 20:50

I bet you are paid better than a teacher. Bear in mind we usually work 50+ hour weeks in term time too and don't get paid for our holidays...

I too see parental engagement as a vital part of the job. But telephoning/emailing parents is a much better use of my time (& theirs!) than additional parents evenings.

pieceofpurplesky · 09/02/2018 20:50

where I had hoped that the teachers would be properly engaged with and interested in their pupils.

Of course white, only at grammar schools are teachers engaged and interested in their pupils Angrywhat a load of bollocks

QueenoftheSilverDollar12 · 09/02/2018 20:49

I think @User32243535 might be Michael Gove.....

pestov · 09/02/2018 20:49

Toomany they are! But I'd rather speak to their parents face to face to reinforce than deliver platitudes to nice kids who are doing well

Dermymc · 09/02/2018 20:48

User those children who have to book I will school will be at a disadvantage, they won't be able to access the system inside school hours as they will be in lessons. Online systems are rubbish,you can't squeeze and extra kid in like I can with a piece of paper. They also mean Mrs Muggins can book an appointment at 7.30 when my other appointments are done by 5.30. On a piece of paper I can say oh Charlie can I ring your mum instead.

whitemarble · 09/02/2018 20:46

Keiratwice - I work full time in a very demanding professional job, I work most evenings and often have days of 7am-10pm or later, and am expected to be available and contactable most of the time, weekends and holidays included and no I don't get paid any extra for overtime.

I know teachers also work very hard during term time but I see parent engagement as a necessary part of the job.

Toomanytealights · 09/02/2018 20:46

Why aren't said disruptive and disorganised kids being dealt with as soon as they become an issue instead of being left until an evening which is alledgedly provided for all?

KittyVonCatsington · 09/02/2018 20:46

Wow OP. You think some children are worthy and some are not?! You do know that children can pass the multiple choice Grammar tests and be visually/hearing impaired, have ADHD, have ASD, have extreme anxiety, have a multitude of other SEND issues. But you say if they do have those issues, should immediately find another school, so as not to bother your children!? These are human beings you are dismissing here!!
I’m lost for words at your gumption.

Dermymc · 09/02/2018 20:44

White marble 14 weeks on parents evenings (assuming 2 per year group per year) plus open evenings, sixth form evenings, options evening, presentation evening, aim higher evening, a couple of performances and you aren't far off one evening a week. That is unreasonable!

If staff have concerns they will speak to you.

QueenoftheSilverDollar12 · 09/02/2018 20:44

Believe it or not @Toomanytealights some kids do not have mobile phones. Usually the same ones who have no PC/IT/internet access at home. Mainly for socio economic reasons. They will most definitely suffer under a purely online booking system.

Weezol · 09/02/2018 20:42

How do you think this 'new system' will be funded and managed? Can it be bought off the shelf, how much is annual software licensing, what are the Data Protection issues, porting, data sharing, security & admin protocols, who holds the staff training budget?

If you can reseach and evidence the above, approach the Bursar, Governors, Trustees and PTA to back you on fundraising for this.

KeiraTwiceKnightley · 09/02/2018 20:41

User - have you bit seen the TEACHERS on this thread telling you that online really isn't any better?

I'm getting the feeling that as long as you get to see your darling child's teachers, no other kid matters.

Toomanytealights · 09/02/2018 20:40

So the year 7 child not long out of primary school hasn't got an appointment for whatever reason and is berated but disorganised and disruptive kids are deemed worthy of special treatment and appointments handed to them on a plate. Okaaaay.

User32243535 · 09/02/2018 20:38

White...Yes, I was actually thinking that a dc could potentially make an appointment on-line - most kids have access to the internet at school for example so I don't see why anyone should be disadvantaged. Just seems that some people are resilient to change...oh dear, it doesn't say much for progress if for example those responsible for our children's education are resilient to change also. Also another point raised that children could potentially operate this system too, thereby not delaying a teacher from teaching.

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KeiraTwiceKnightley · 09/02/2018 20:38

Whitemarble, can I ask if you work? How would you feel if you were asked to work an additional 3-4 hours, customer facing and on show at the end of a full day? Well, it's part of the role and it's a post it even evening so you'd be fine to make it happen. Fair enough. Now imagine that your employer asks you to do this for 14 or 21 nights a year, instead of the 7 you are currently paid for. Still ok? So you are now working an additional week's worth of working hours for free. Still ok? Or would you want paying? Fine - but school budgets are horribly stretched so something else has to go. Your child's SEN budget perhaps? The training to keep them safe?

Slightlyperturbedowlagain · 09/02/2018 20:37

pestov that sounds like the perfect solution- you decide who you need to see and make it worthwhile for everyone Smile