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AQA combined science trilogy and triple science- what on earth is the difference?

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Toomanytealights · 05/02/2018 17:01

Rapidly starting to think parents with kids taking options this year could do with a night class in the subject.Confused

What do you get at the end of both?What is the difference? How well regarded is the lesser option? We've had very little info from school.

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AlexanderHamilton · 05/02/2018 19:45

There is no such qualification as Triple Science. It’s a shorthand way of saying a child is taking 3 separate Science GCSE’s.

My son will be taking 2 separate science GCSE’s in Chrmistry & Physicss.

TheFallenMadonna · 05/02/2018 19:45

No.

Toomanytealights · 05/02/2018 19:45

I get that but surely as a general rule most would go by a similar expectation.

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cantkeepawayforever · 05/02/2018 19:44

Toomany,

It will depend on the school.

DD has predicted and tracking grades of 9s in all subjects on double (combined) science, but as her school doesn't offer triple science, it isn't 'above the threshold' for doing triple science, just an indication that she's quite good at science and likely to do well.

Equally, other schools will vary as to whether pretty much all students do triple in one way or another, or whether only a top set does, or whether those reaching a particular grade will progress to triple. it's not a 'standard' answer, particularly as the first numbered grade GCSEs in Science have not yet been sat.

TheFallenMadonna · 05/02/2018 19:43

There is no standard national selection criteria. The school will have chosen their criteria. You can only get the answer from them.

TheFallenMadonna · 05/02/2018 19:42

If you only do 2 subjects, you do a separate GCSE in each one. Triple Science should be referred to as separate sciences, because that is what they are. And AQA calling one of their combined routes Trilogy is a right headache when explaining things!

cantkeepawayforever · 05/02/2018 19:41

Toomany,

What do you mean?

For someone to drop a science, they would have had to start off by studying triple, then drop 1 of the subjects. This is rare for non SEN students. You can't drop a science out of the combined course, and most non-SEN children not doing 3 separate sciences (triple) will do the combined science (double) GCSEs

Toomanytealights · 05/02/2018 19:41

So anybody know what the grades for all 3 are as a cut off to make the decision for either course? Do you add all 3 or do all 3 just need to be over a certain mark.

We're getting zilch info from school

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titchy · 05/02/2018 19:39

But the certificate does have a title: Combined Science.

Many many years ago you used to choose which sciences you did, but that led to a fairly limited science curriculum at KS4, and key concepts that overlap couldn't be taught (science has moved on a lot!) so the syllabus was changed so everyone would still study each Science, and the interface between Bio/Chem or Chem/Phys could be explored.

It's unusual tbh for kids to do really well in one of the sciences and really poorly in another.

Toomanytealights · 05/02/2018 19:39

So is that triple or combined?Confused

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TheFallenMadonna · 05/02/2018 19:38

Yes, an unbalanced science curriculum is not necessarily unusual for some SEN students.

AlexanderHamilton · 05/02/2018 19:37

My son’s school is allowing him to drop biology completely as his expected grade is 6/7 in physics, 4/5 in chemistry & 3 in biology. But he’s an exception & has Sen.

TheFallenMadonna · 05/02/2018 19:36

I'm not sure what you mean there. They have to do all three subjects. Not just one or two. They can do two GCSEs worth, or 3 GCSEs worth. They can't do more biology than physics. There needs to be a balance.

cantkeepawayforever · 05/02/2018 19:35

Both my - bright - children go to a school that only does double (Combined) science GCSEs. It does, as a result, offer 5 free subject choices at GCSE, which is rare, so it is swings and roundabouts in many ways.

Interestingly, the school's A-level Science results are excellent, and very much in line with a similar school (in terms of demographics) that does offer triple.

Discussing it with various people, doing A-levels from the basis of double science where the school only offers double is pretty much as successful as doing A-levels from the basis of triple where the school usually offers triple - the teaching just starts from a slightly different point.

On the other hand, doing A-levels from a starting point of double in a school where most able scientists will have done triple is less successful, because the gap between double and triple is not always systematically filled.

I agree that it is somewhat unfair on those children who are e.g. exceptional at Physics but not at Biology or vice versa that their combined grade may not reflect their strongest subject (though it does disguise their weakest...) However, Double Science with its broad curriculum is still probably a better grounding in science than what was common in my day - that less able science students would do only 2 or 1 science subject and drop e.g. physics entirely at 14.

TeenTimesTwo · 05/02/2018 19:35

I think it is very sensible.

I think it is far better for pupils to do 2/3 content of all 3 sciences rather than just doing 2 sciences and dropping the third at 14. I did no biology after the age of 13 and I think that's a disgrace.

It really doesn't matter for practically everything ever whether your 66 grade for combined science happened to be made by good phys&chem pulling up poor biology or whatever. If you really need to know then the grades/marks for each paper will be on the results slip.

The title is 'Combined Science' so it is clear from the title it is a mix of everything. After all, your English Lit is a mixture of books and poetry, you don't need a separate grade for each of those.

You can do A level science with combined science. You would need to talk to current school re how they adjust for pupils who hadn't done triple.

Triple in the time for double is very fast paced and only for the most able. My DD's school offers 'normal' triple using an option, and also accelerated.

You asked why can't everyone do triple. a) because it is hard and b) many kids aren't that keen on science to spend 15hrs a fortnight on it and would rather use the additional 5 hrs on a second MFL, or another humanity, or a creative arts.

Toomanytealights · 05/02/2018 19:35

What do you rate as a big difference?

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Toomanytealights · 05/02/2018 19:34

So why can't they do combined science or 1,2 or 3 separate sciences all covering the same content?Confused

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TheFallenMadonna · 05/02/2018 19:33

IME, there are rarely huge differences between attainment in each of the subjects.

TheFallenMadonna · 05/02/2018 19:32

Because having a balanced mix of all three subjects is considered important, and three GCSEs (and the time required to do three) is a huge chunk of the KS4 curriculum. For many (most?) students, two is more appropriate.

Toomanytealights · 05/02/2018 19:32

As I said. What happens if you're pants in one but great in another. You don't get to do the greater depth in a subject you're good at. How is that a good idea?

What is the general cut off,is it the same as the previous poster mentioned?

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AlexanderHamilton · 05/02/2018 19:29

Because not all students want to do three separate sciences.

Toomanytealights · 05/02/2018 19:29

So they add all 3 and then divide by 2 and give you 2 without titles. Err why,who on earth thought that up?

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AlexanderHamilton · 05/02/2018 19:27

AQA offer two double science syllabi - both cover physics, chemistry & biology but the Trilogy syllabus is designed to be taught by three separate teachers whereas the Synergy syllabus is designed to be taught by two teachers.

Triple Science is a nickname for the three separate GCSE’s in biology, chemistry & physics.

catslife · 05/02/2018 19:27

Triple will be 9 exams rather than 6 at the end of the course last time I checked,
Incorrect that's for the old GCSE.
For new 9-1 GCSE both triple and Double are 2 exams in each Science subject i.e. Biology, Chemistry and Physics. The difference is that for Triple each exam is 1 hour 45 mins and for combined 1 hour 10 mins.
It's called Trilogy because each subject can be taught separately. But the overall grades come from an average across all the different papers.

Toomanytealights · 05/02/2018 19:24

To get an exam with no title. So you could do well in one area but not get a certificate saying so.

Why can't everybody just do the 3?

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