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11+ Results - Why Don't Independent Schools Release Scores?

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Lentils · 23/01/2018 10:43

Just wondering why it is that independents don't ever release the results of your child's exams? Anyone know? Or so some give you results and some don't?

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Needmoresleep · 23/01/2018 13:10

If they released scores they would be under pressure to take kids who achieved high scores. And parents/schools would be under pressure to prep/tutor kids so that they achieved these high scores. Tutoring for some Grammar schools can be intensive starts impossibly early and actually works against a young child achieving a broader education.

Selective independent schools are looking for potential, rather than who is VR/nonVR practiced at 11+. They will want to give weight to curiosity, engagement and wider interests. They may also want a mix, consistent with the culture of the school, so some quieter children and some more alpha ones. They will want to allow for differences in preparation. They also have the ability to take the "one-sided" child. So DD was dyslexic and hopeless at English but good at maths. Some classmates were arty or musical but not so strong at science. Grammar schools in contrast, using raw scores cannot differentiate.

I understand that very selective London private schools choose to be opaque because there is an increasing trend of prospective parents engaging lawyers if they are not happy with a school's decision. This means that the school has to be in a position to justify decisions. Publishing internal criteria in advance would cause unwelcome bias, and reduce the independence of a schools' decision making.

Lentils · 23/01/2018 13:02

It just feels like such an anti-climax! Also I'd just like to know how effective our prep was basically - dd went to a state school, where it was basically frowned upon to apply to private. Friend of mine whose dd went private said they prep for entrance exams starting in year 5 and really all of first term year 6. So, it would be nice to know how effective our prep was for future reference! NoStraightEdges - no, they don't usually. One school for my older dd told us where she fell in percentile terms, but no specific marks.

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LIZS · 23/01/2018 12:57

If you don't get in you can ask for feedback as to whether it is worth reapplying at another entry point but how would knowing the exam scores in isolation be of any real help.

Firefox1066 · 23/01/2018 12:44

Lentils What do you think knowing the actual mark would give you?

I'm at the opposite end of the spectrum. I don't give a fig as to what the marks were, just want to know the outcome!

Lentils · 23/01/2018 12:14

Yes, that's fine and understandable and I get that it's one part of the admissions puzzle, but really don't see why the process has to be so opaque. At the end of the day, they can let in whom they choose, they are private after all, but it would go a long way to parents and children who have spent time, effort and money preparing for them.

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LIZS · 23/01/2018 12:08

Unlike state 11+ the results are based not only on exam attainment but take into account interview, references, extra curricular etc. So the exam scores are only one aspect of any decision to offer.

NoStraightEdges · 23/01/2018 12:01

Grammars in our area only publish certain results. They give the minimum mark required to apply for the school and the lowest pass mark that gained entry the year before on offers day. However, that doesn't account for the waiting list scores that get in. The 11+ forum collate those unofficially.

Do the independents not even do that?

Lentils · 23/01/2018 11:57

But does that happen at grammars? They all post results, no one seems that hepped up about it?

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jaimelannistersgoldenhand · 23/01/2018 11:50

I can imagine lots of demands for remarks when a child narrowly misses the pass mark too. Too much hassle potential.

jaimelannistersgoldenhand · 23/01/2018 11:49

Publishing scores will increase hysteria.

If Sam got 60% in the 11+ maths, why is he in a higher set than my son who got 75%?

If 70% was enough for a place year why has my child who got 70% this year not got a place?

Why was the passmark 70% last year but 60% this year? Is the school going downhill and attracting less intelligent kids?
Etc

Firefox1066 · 23/01/2018 11:43

In my opinion, there's enough parental neurosis in the 11+ process as it is and publishing results would only make it worse!!

But in all seriousness, as pp have stated, the exams are merely a hurdle and not a result, with the school taking into account a host of other factors before deciding whether to offer a place and indeed what type of offer.

noitsnotteatimeyet · 23/01/2018 11:03

They’d be opening themselves to all kinds of grief if they did though ... as the ‘pass’ mark will vary from child to child. The tests themselves are purely a means to an end so in that case a yes/no/scholarship answer is all you need surely? No one will ever ask your child what mark they got in an 11+ test ...

Lentils · 23/01/2018 10:56

Yes, I understand that, but it just seems strange that they don't just tell you the score? Loads of children / parents have worked very hard to prepare for the tests seems a bit anticlimactic to just get a pass / didn't pass / qualified for scholarship...

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noitsnotteatimeyet · 23/01/2018 10:53

Generally because they’re not just going by the test results, they’ll also be looking at the interview, previous school’s report, any extra-curricular stuff a child can bring to the school, some will give siblings priority others give weight to a family connection to the school etc etc etc