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Secondary school without Rugby

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westwood2016 · 01/01/2018 19:04

Happy new year! We are looking for a high level academic and sporty secondary school WITHOUT Rugby. Our two DS are currently in a prep school where rugby is dominating their lives, which was ok until they probably both got mild concussion following a knock on the head. We have been worried about them since they started contact rugby 3 years ago, now we have seen the consequences first hand, which could potentially be desastrous. We are ready to put a stop to Rugby, although they both live and breathe for the sport, which makes it very difficult. We live in Buckinghamshire but would be ready to move within the county or closer to London, should we find a school which offers other sports as well as having a high academic level. Many thanks in advance.

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happygardening · 18/01/2018 09:08

You said up thread that your current school hasn’t proposed anything that “corresponds” to you DS’s academic level yet”.
So I’m guessing MCS Winchester and Eton et al have not been suggested to you. If you’re at a well established prep with a track record of sending pupils to these types of schools and they are not recommending them to you then you need to listen. They will be reluctant to support your application including providing a suitable reference if they don’t feel your DS’s arent really suitable.

Secondly Winchester which doesn’t do any rugby and offers lots of alternative sports and has no major or minor sports and in fact it’s possible to do no sport (so may not provide suffient adrenaline fuelled sport for you) requires registration in yr 5 at the latest.

happygardening · 18/01/2018 08:53

I’ve not read back through the thread how old are your DS’s and would you consider full boarding?

happygardening · 18/01/2018 08:52

MCS is first and foremost a hot house, with sport and other stuff pretty difficult to get into as it’s very over subscribed.

MiddleClassProblem · 18/01/2018 05:22

It’s a shame you don’t have the flexibility to move west to put Millfield in the “running”.

sendsummer · 18/01/2018 04:39

Westwood Abingdon school is another option. MCS could be regarded as a hothouse simply because it is one of the most academic schools.

Wellington is a school which is very competitive about its rugby and has rugby scholarships.
UCS is in London but you say that you want to avoid London?

westwood2016 · 17/01/2018 23:36

Thanks for your messages. Lord Walter, I want to discourage them because of the risk of brain injury despite the fact that we all love this sport. It’s just not worth it. Other sports can procure adrenaline, team spirit, strong emotions, with not that much risks I would hope. Thanks Polista, yes it seems that Wellington is pretty big on Rugby. I also heard that they had a lot of other sports on offer, is that correct? But if Rugby is so important there, maybe not for us. Thanks Propriata, we are looking for a school with pretty high academic level, but for all rounded students who also enjoy sports, arts, debating, choir... we don’t want a “hot house” , they are still kids and they need to have time to enjoy being kids, not doing all the time. Yet they need to be challenged intellectually otherwise it would be a waste and they would get bored. We want grounds , space for them, no pollution (that’s why we prefer outside London, otherwise we thought Latimer in Hammersmith could have been a great option). And we want a school where students are encouraged to think outside the box, to be independent, kind and confident. Any ideas welcome. Many thanks in advance everyone.

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propatria · 17/01/2018 16:04

Did you just pick these schools out of a hat?
What are you actually looking for in a school?
Those schools have very little in common,be that sporting,academic,pupil make up,importance of boarding etc..
Perhaps if you still want to play down the rugby,then you might want to rethink Wellington....lol...

Polista · 17/01/2018 15:46

Rugby huge at Wellington. Also pretty academic these days tho.

LordWalterTheCourageous · 17/01/2018 15:18

Rather confused as to why you want to discourage your children from doing something they obviously enjoy.

westwood2016 · 16/01/2018 22:53

Many thanks to all who posted messages to this thread, all this was very helpful. We have finally decided to look at schools which propose Rugby as well as other sports as we now believe it would be unfair and in the end probably counter productive to take our two DS’s passion away from them. Instead we will try to increase their interests in other sports, hoping that their interest in Rugby will diminish. We are currently looking at 4 schools: Wellington College, Magdalen College School in Oxford, Merchant Taylor School and UCS in Hampstead. We would really appreciate any feedback on these schools, particularly in terms of sports but also academic level and atmosphere, teachers, students etc... Many thanks again to all for your precious help.

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Rudi44 · 11/01/2018 07:17

Sadly people drown swimming

But participation in a structured swimming club actually decreases the risk of drowning whilst swimming elsewhere rather than increases it.

annandale · 11/01/2018 07:02

Injuries are possible in all areas of life but it is also possible not to play a sport that requires so much direct full weight impact on the head and neck. Hope you find a school that doesn't play rugby OP.

LordWalterTheCourageous · 11/01/2018 06:43

Thanks for the info clearly more research needs to be done.

Rugby should be played in mud IMO

numbereightyone · 10/01/2018 21:13

There is some information here. I have read that plastic pitches are being ripped up in Holland, and as I have said earlier, a study is being conducted by an American University (can't remember which one).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_turf–cancer_hypothesis

LordWalterTheCourageous · 10/01/2018 21:07

So clubs that have ripped up £500000 3G pitches have replaced them with grass ?

Or non cancer causing 3G 4G 5G plastic pitches ?

numbereightyone · 10/01/2018 20:58

I described it earlier as a 'concern'. It's up to the individual to decide if this is something which worries them or not.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 10/01/2018 20:56

numbereightyone

So it's rumour and supposition then. and more scaremongering

numbereightyone · 10/01/2018 18:47

Not yet Lord but a big study into it is being carried out at the moment and some people have taken a precautionary approach by ripping up existing 3G pitches.

LordWalterTheCourageous · 10/01/2018 17:42

There is no proof whatsoever that rubber crumbs from 3G pitches cause cancer.

numbereightyone · 10/01/2018 17:15

There is a concern about the rubber used on 3G pitches. Iirc it's to do with the fact they use recycled tyres and they are potentially carcinogenic.

user1471450935 · 10/01/2018 17:04

God, we must be shit parents to Ds1, not only have we allowed him to play both codes of rugby, including nearly 2 years non stop, but he also got knocked down crossing the road outside our house. luckily only cuts and bruises. But that's the only time, we both feared for his safety.
nocampinghere Ds1 only really trains on 3/4G pitches. Always wears skins on his legs and arms whilst training. 3G we are sick of rubber balls everywhere, 4G he hates, sand based means as a tackler like him loses elbow and knee skin a lot. He played amateur rugby league on 3G pitches and luckily League allows skins to be worn during matches, because after a couple of matches all players where wearing them or their mums tights, until they could buy/get hold of skins, Not sure how Union would work as can't wear skins in matches. Ds1 loves winter rugby, because he is the tackler and the ground is usually wet and muddy, so soft. When he played League, so summer, skins where worn every match, due to hard grounds.
welly possibly private school kids in Hull/E Yorkshire are different to Harrow/Eton etc rugby players, I wouldn't have a clue, but I have learnt on here most parents, who send their boys there vehemently disagree with that idea, so won.t go there.
Except to say in the 9 years Ds1 has played League and union, he has played with, in his 3 different clubs, over 130 different boys and girls. 6 have been privately educated, 4%, over 45 have come from council estates (no private schools) so 35%. the rest are just working and lower middle class kids at fairly rough state schools, so about 95%.
So maybe you should just avoid rugby in independent schools and play rugby in either code supported clubs. Our comprehensive school coach admits only reason they won so many titles is that school year had 23 players who all played together at 2 outside clubs originally, so nothing to do with the school, It just got the glory

LordWalterTheCourageous · 10/01/2018 16:21

Regarding 3G pitches they can cause the odd burn here and there with a high speed impact. The key is maintenance. They need to be regularly filled or topped up with the rubber particles made from recycled tyres which give the pitch some cushioning and bounce effect on impact.

If the pitches are not maintained and topped up with rubber this is when they can become hard, slippy and dangerous. A 3G rugby pitch has different characteristics to a 3G football pitch and has different regs. Games are never postponed and washing machines last longer.

mumsiedarlingrevolta · 10/01/2018 08:52

Hi OP.
Just wanted to suggest at some point you need to include your DS's in this decision-they are old enough to engage in the process and may resent you-even if you're doing it for what you feel are the right reasons.
I had 2 very passionate rugby boys-one voluntarily quit rugby to row full time.
I would def suggest looking for a school that rows...

nocampinghere · 10/01/2018 08:44

haven't RTFT just skimmed it but those of you with dcs playing rugby, what do you think of the new all weather 3G surfaces being used rather than grass? They're quite a bit harder imo...

numbereightyone · 09/01/2018 21:51

There is no comparison between children being hit by cars and those injured playing rugby. Rugby is a minority sport played primarily by boys. Most children have to cross a road at some time or another.

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